User talk:Vincent Tsao
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August 2023[edit]
Hello, I'm Wikipedialuva. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Junta (game), but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Wikipedialuva (talk) 02:49, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
- I went ahead and did some research, and I was able to find a 1981 Washington Post article (a reliable source by Wikipedia standards) that lists "Vincent Tsao" as the "inventor" of Junta, so I restored the name to the article. However, the article did not list a date of the game's release, so I have left that as 1978 for now; if you find a reliable source, please feel free to change it and reference the source. Thanks! Wikipedialuva (talk) 03:03, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
- Can I scan a copy of the rules of original contract and send that to you? There was A New York magazine review in 1979 or 1980 by the late Barbara Costikyan but I have no idea if that mentioned the publication date. Precious little online back then. Vincent Tsao (talk) 03:20, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
- The original contract should not be used as a source. The rules would show a copyright date, but that doesn't always correlate to the date of publication. (I'm teaching from a textbook later this month that has a 2024 copyright!) —C.Fred (talk) 03:27, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
- I understand the rules require an online citation. In this case, someone entered false information in the page as to the original designer and the publication date, likely having first put a citation online elsewhere. It has been determined that I am the original designer. But the incorrect publication date stands because I can't provide online proof of the 1979 publication date. It was published by Creative Wargames Workshop, a small two-person operation. By sheer coincidence, one of those two got in touch with me after 4 decades and is now part of my gaming group. Which still doesn't provide an online citation. I have one published game and am proud of it. The rights were sold in the early 80s, so I'm not seeking any financial gain. I don't know why someone wants to erase my name from the game. I note that Board Game Geek has slowly moved my name down the list of later designers so it no longer appears on the first page. I'm 72. If they wait 20 years they can say Santa Claus designed the first edition and I'll either be gone or no longer caring. This does seem like Catch 22. Vincent Tsao (talk) 09:38, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
- OK, here's a link to the first edition for sale, with publication date [1]https://www.nobleknight.com/P/27113267/Junta-1st-Edition?CATARGETID=520006920000023373&CADevice=c&msclkid=591eb36a04151913c242d7a6c8dc1b84&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Bing Shopping Ads&utm_term=4584207593050481&utm_content=Games
- Vincent Tsao (talk) 10:05, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
- Will that do? Vincent Tsao (talk) 10:05, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
- I understand the rules require an online citation. In this case, someone entered false information in the page as to the original designer and the publication date, likely having first put a citation online elsewhere. It has been determined that I am the original designer. But the incorrect publication date stands because I can't provide online proof of the 1979 publication date. It was published by Creative Wargames Workshop, a small two-person operation. By sheer coincidence, one of those two got in touch with me after 4 decades and is now part of my gaming group. Which still doesn't provide an online citation. I have one published game and am proud of it. The rights were sold in the early 80s, so I'm not seeking any financial gain. I don't know why someone wants to erase my name from the game. I note that Board Game Geek has slowly moved my name down the list of later designers so it no longer appears on the first page. I'm 72. If they wait 20 years they can say Santa Claus designed the first edition and I'll either be gone or no longer caring. This does seem like Catch 22. Vincent Tsao (talk) 09:38, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
- The original contract should not be used as a source. The rules would show a copyright date, but that doesn't always correlate to the date of publication. (I'm teaching from a textbook later this month that has a 2024 copyright!) —C.Fred (talk) 03:27, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
- Can I scan a copy of the rules of original contract and send that to you? There was A New York magazine review in 1979 or 1980 by the late Barbara Costikyan but I have no idea if that mentioned the publication date. Precious little online back then. Vincent Tsao (talk) 03:20, 4 August 2023 (UTC)