User talk:Vlatona
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Copyright[edit]
Hello, Vlatona. The problem was not citing your sources; the problem was using language or other creative content from your sources without verified permission. Aside from brief and clearly marked quotations used in accordance with our non-free content guidelines, Wikipedia can only accept content that is released under a compatible free license or in the public domain. Whenever you press save, you agree to release your content under free license. When content is previously published elsewhere first, unless we can prove it is public domain or it is labeled as compatibly licensed, we need a verified license through external means - you can see what those are at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. Content at [1] is clearly copyright reserved. For more on our copyright policies, please see Wikipedia:Copypaste, and if you have any questions you're welcome to ask me at my talk page or visit the WP:Teahouse, which is meant to be a welcoming help environment for newcomers. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:03, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
Dennis Gross[edit]
Hi Moonriddengirl,
Thanks for your feedback on the Dr. Dennis Gross page (pasted below, bottom). I read through the documents you sent and the question I have is: Dennis Gross is who he is. There aren't many ways to say: "Dennis Gross is a dermatologic surgeon in New York City." (Note: I've also pasted below what is on Dr. Gross' site, which is where I got the information but did not copy it directly.) This woman who writes the blogs on the site can't own the facts on Dr. Gross, can she? (And, just so you know, I've never seen that site and did not take copy from that page; I got the information from Dr. Gross' site and modeled the information after the structure of the Joy Bauer page as it was simple and about someone who is alive.) So I shouldn't have to go to this woman who runs the site, which sells Dr. Gross's products, to get approval on his basic facts—or do I? So I'm not sure what to do. Given the very simple structure of the Wikipedia page, should I just completely re-write what's there? Not sure how easy this will be as the Wikipedia page is pretty bare bones facts, without a lot of fluff.
Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks again for the crash course on Wikipedia! 100.35.18.152 (talk) 21:13, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi again. I've removed the copy-pasted content for the same reason the article was originally deleted - we can't copy-paste things on Wikipedia.
- It's quite likely that the person who created that blog post did the same thing you did - based it on Dr. Gross's site - and both of you followed very closely on the original. Copying does not have to be word-for-word to constitute a copyright problem; too closely paraphrasing is also a copyright concern.
- Dr. Gross can, of course, release the content on his site (see WP:DCM), which would make it an okay base, but do keep in mind that Wikipedia articles are meant to be based on secondary sources for the most part, not copied from what subjects say about themselves. An article on Dr. Gross should largely summarize what newspapers or magazines say about him, not what his website or other promotional sites do. It isn't that your article should include more fluff, but it shouldn't be based too heavily on what Dr. Gross says about himself. :) That's not what the project is here for. We're here to summarize what reliable sources say about subjects to which they have no connection.
- Content should also be written neutrally. The original article included a fair bit of promotional text - referring to his schools as "famous" and editorializing that he is "constantly" featured in fashion magazines. Wikipedia may include positive or negative characterizations, but only as a reflection of what cited, reliable sources say. You can read more about recognizing reliable sources at WP:IRS. [2] and [3] may be reliable (I'm not familiar with either of them, but the first of the two looks particularly promising), but I tend to doubt that [4] is. I can't see anything about their editorial policies. Other potential sources might include [5], [6], [7], [8], such like that.
- You should also be aware that if you are connected with Dr. Gross in any way - your coming back with a new account seven years after your one and only article to create a new account and evidently try again suggests you might be - you need to read and abide by our conflict of interest guideline. Note especially that if you work for Dr. Gross, you are required to say so by our Terms of Use. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 23:02, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi, Vlatona. Your first note on my talk page said, "I saw that my post on Dennis Gross was deleted for "blatant copyright infringement"." That article was deleted on 16 May 2008 - seven years ago (almost 8 now!). If you didn't write it, I don't know what you meant by "my post." :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 02:42, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi, Vlatona. :) You say, "I'm looking at my note to you and it doesn't say that anywhere" - your note is here. It begins with those words. Fortunately, we log our conversations, so there's not much mystery who said what when, and we can always look back if there is confusion. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:54, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi, Vlatona. Your first note on my talk page said, "I saw that my post on Dennis Gross was deleted for "blatant copyright infringement"." That article was deleted on 16 May 2008 - seven years ago (almost 8 now!). If you didn't write it, I don't know what you meant by "my post." :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 02:42, 8 February 2016 (UTC)