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Category:New Jersey actors[edit]

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Syrthiss 18:53, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm assuming this means actors from New Jersey, which seems over-specific. JW 00:02, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep You're possibly right, as it doesn't tell you anything useful about an them as actors. But category:people from New Jersey is huge so it needs subdivision. Scranchuse 02:45, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • If parent category is Category:People from New Jersey, rename above to Category:Actors from New Jersey...?  David Kernow 16:16, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete pretty meaningless, could mean just born there, then moved somewhere completely different, lived in New Jersey as an adult, performed in New Jersey??? Arniep 02:42, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep There are many subcategories of by state categories. They aren't the most valuable categories, but they make the by-state subcategorisation slightly more useful than it would be otherwise. CalJW 04:00, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment. an alternative is to split up "People from state" by state region Mayumashu 03:41, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • That information is not going to be available in all cases, it will be less accurate than state categories because people move around and in most cases is of negligible value anyway. Also, it doesn't fit into the way other articles are divided by geography. Finally, there are already categories by city and we don't need yet another tier. Bhoeble 11:17, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:War of the Worlds actors[edit]

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The result of the debate was Invalid nomination, category not tagged. Tim! 10:26, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actors lumped together because they've been in different versions of War of the Worlds, including films, TV series or the Jeff Wayne album. JW 00:02, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Trivial connection. Bhoeble 09:05, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - it is not worthwhile to categorise together two people because they happen to have been in two completely different adaptations of the same work. —Whouk (talk) 09:09, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:NZPA member to Category:New Zealand Parliament press gallery accredited[edit]

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The result of the debate was delete. Syrthiss 18:58, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Refects what the category is properly used for. NZPA is the press association (like Associated Press but for New Zealand). Yet the category consists of members of the New Zealand Parliament press gallery (my bad). --Midnighttonight 23:09, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete and listify. Some of the members are global and it woudl be a bad idea to have this type of category for every country. Scranchuse 02:53, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Not an important attribute for any but local media outlets and maybe not for them. Bhoeble 09:06, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Celebrities who have appeared on Sesame Street[edit]

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The result of the debate was delete. Syrthiss 18:59, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is already a list, List of celebrity guest stars on Sesame Street, which is a better idea than a category. JW 22:57, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:European Youth Model Government to Category:Youth model governments[edit]

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The result of the debate was upmerge. Syrthiss 19:00, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Contains only one European model government and one British one. In my view putting the UK category into a European category in the political field with so little justification is tinged with pro-EU point of view. The category is also incorrectly pluralised and capitalised. Upmerge to Category:Youth Model Governments (which is up for speedy renaming to category:Youth model governments. CalJW 21:42, 13 April 2006 (UTC).[reply]

  • Merge Political articles should be categorised by country. Bhoeble 09:08, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge I think it does make some sense categorise by larger region than just country, in this case there does not seem to be much of a need. Both members of the category can be easily found in tthe YMG category.


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Category:India independence movement[edit]

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The result of the debate was delete. Syrthiss 19:01, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:United States territorial organization and state admission legislation[edit]

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The result of the debate was delete. Syrthiss 19:02, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I made this, but I've since made a better-named category, Category:United States federal organic, enabling, and admission legislation. —Markles 16:56, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Since you already created Category:United States federal organic, enabling, and admission legislation you'll have to create another nomination for that rename. --JeffW 22:25, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Characters in novels[edit]

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The result of the debate was delete. Syrthiss 19:02, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Subcat to the horridly overloaded Category:Characters in written fiction. But it only has one member, and while Category:Characters in written fiction could use some attention, I don't think this really does the job. - TexasAndroid 16:34, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Hill Stations of Pakistan to Category:Hill stations of Pakistan[edit]

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The result of the debate was rename to Hill stations in Pakistan. Syrthiss 19:03, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Capitalisation change as per Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 April 4#Category:Pakistani hill stations. Thryduulf 23:25, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from speedy after discussion. Vegaswikian 16:11, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:US mountain monuments to Category:Mountain monuments[edit]

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The result of the debate was relisted at April 23. Syrthiss 20:19, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

At first I was going to propose a simple rename to "Mountain monuments of the United States" due to format, but I realized there are only 5 items in this category, and only 1 in the parent category. Up-merging seems appropriate given there probably are not very many of these world-wide. — Eoghanacht talk 16:10, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Russian language webcomics[edit]

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The result of the debate was delete. Syrthiss 20:20, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See: Category:Russian-language webcomics -- ProveIt (talk) 14:20, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Bhoeble 17:27, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Texas party primaries, 1998[edit]

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The result of the debate was delete. Syrthiss 20:21, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Blanked by creator -- ProveIt (talk) 14:20, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Bhoeble 17:28, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:List of Gaelic Poets[edit]

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Gaelic poets. - TexasAndroid 15:54, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See: Category:List of Gaelic Bards -- ProveIt (talk) 14:20, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Question Would cat:List of Gaelic Bards be eligible for a speedy renaming to just cat:Gaelic bards for the reason that all cats are "List of"s and so it doesn't need to be mentioned, and capitalization? --JeffW 15:04, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Rename/merge both to Category:Gaelic poets in line with the conventions. Bhoeble 17:29, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename/merge both to Category:Gaelic poets. The supercategory for this category is Poets and it has two subcategories, Irish/Scottish Gaelic poets, so I don't see why the intermediate category should use the word bards instead. --JeffW 18:26, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Mac OS X ripping software[edit]

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The result of the debate was delete. Syrthiss 20:22, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See: Category:Mac OS X CD ripping software -- ProveIt (talk) 14:20, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Bhoeble 17:30, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:U.S. Libertarian Party presidential nominees[edit]

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The result of the debate was delete. Syrthiss 20:25, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Made into article -- ProveIt (talk) 14:20, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • note from closing admin - this was a re-creation of a category that was deleted back in february and listified. As such, I confirm deletion as recreated cat...tho choster's suggestion is a good one if *that* category was to be made. Syrthiss 20:25, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:English Premiership players[edit]

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The result of the debate was keep. Syrthiss 20:27, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:La Liga footballers[edit]

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The result of the debate was keep. Syrthiss 20:28, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See below


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Category:A-League players[edit]

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The result of the debate was keep. Syrthiss 20:27, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Do we really need this category? What purpose does it serve? It has over 500 articles (and has the potential to grow to thousands), and every single one of these players is already in a category (or categories) for that player's team(s). It's hard to imagine someone using this category to help them navigate through articles. There was some discussion on Category_talk:English_Premiership_players, but the category creator shut it down. DR31 (talk) 13:02, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all. These categories serve very little useful purpose; categorisation of players by position, nationality, team etc. make sense but not the league they play in. Category creator gives no meaningful reason for keeping either. Qwghlm 13:07, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very strong keep How on earth can anyone not think that grouping players with such a strong connection is useful? Bhoeble 17:31, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep all I've just used it. It is the best way to access articles of current interest as the by club categories contain many articles about old time players, some of whom played for their respective clubs when they were not in the top flight. This will not grow as large as the by position categories and it will probably be a long time before it grows as large as Category:English footballers. Indeed it might never do so as more articles are created for level 2, 3 and 4 players. Populating this with club categories would lead to a dreadful degree of inaccuracy as we have promotion and relegation rather than a franchise system in England. Choalbaton 19:17, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • This is not of "current" interest; the categoires are NOT "Current Premiership players", bur rather "all-time Premiership players". In fact, almost every player in Category:English footballers belongs here. In fact, if it was modified to be "current Premiership players", that could be a bit more useful... A lot, actually. DR31 (talk) 20:02, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep These are international equivalents of Category:National Football League players. Scranchuse 02:48, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Bad example; that category has no individual players in it. DR31 (talk) 12:56, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • That's because the U.S. has a franchise system and England doesn't, which is actually a reason for keeping this as you can't access the information via categories for individual teams like they can in the U.S. Bhoeble 11:20, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep but remove individual players from the category. ie keep the category tree structure A-League > A-League players > Sydney FC players , but agree there is no need for individual players to be in this cat as well as team cats. AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 13:54, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. We already have Category:Footballers by club which is divided into countries then clubs. Classifying by division is unnecessary, IMO. Slumgum | yap | stalk | 22:44, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Militaries by country to Category:Types of military[edit]

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The result of the debate was merge. Syrthiss 20:30, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Completely redundant categories; not actually a by-country breakdown at this level, either. Kirill Lokshin 12:56, 13 April 2006 (UTC).[reply]

  • Merge - note that these are redundant because of the way Category:Militaries is structured; but if it was restructured these categories may make sense later. There's nothing inherently wrong with Category:Militaries by country (indeed, it may be sensible) but it doesn't fit the current structure. TheGrappler 14:50, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. Scranchuse 02:49, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. Bhoeble 09:10, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerge into Categories:Militaries. Once the 'military of foo' cats are moved, the 'militaries' cat will not be over-populated, and sub-cats like 'armies', 'navies', etc. will be perfecdtly fine right at the 'militaries' level and not need a 'militaries by type' sub-cat to group them. Josh 03:10, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Militaries to Category:Military by country[edit]

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The result of the debate was rename. Syrthiss 20:30, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Make this consistent with all of the other sub-categories of Category:Categories by country. Kirill Lokshin 12:54, 13 April 2006 (UTC).[reply]


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Hollyoaks[edit]

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The result of the debate was keep hollyoaks, delete characters. Syrthiss 20:32, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Category:Hollyoaks and Category:Hollyoaks characters as redundant. The latter no longer has any entries, and the former has only two articles (one of which is the main article) and this and one other subcat. —Whouk (talk) 12:35, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Penalty saving specialists[edit]

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The result of the debate was delete. Syrthiss 20:33, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In football (soccer), whether a goalkeeper is any good at saving penalty kicks is entirely subjective - and all of them save penalties from time to time. There are no objective criteria nor any reliable statistics; different players play at different levels of the game and so no fair comparisons can be made. Delete. Qwghlm 12:17, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Free kick specialists[edit]

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The result of the debate was delete. Syrthiss 20:34, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In football (soccer), there is no dedicated kicker in the side, any player can take a free kick. Whether a player is any good at taking free kicks is entirely subjective. There are no objective criteria nor any reliable statistics; different players play at different levels of the game and so no fair comparisons can be made. Delete. Qwghlm 12:17, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as above. DR31 (talk) 12:51, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Joe 16:40, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as above. Bhoeble 17:36, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete indeed POV. gidonb 01:46, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, although there is a dedicated free-kick taker in most teams, whether they're good or not is subjective. Free-kicks are not necessarily free shots, so whether a passed FK requires speciality skills is even more pov.Slumgum | yap | stalk | 22:53, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:One day international records[edit]

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The result of the debate was rename all per Aloan. Syrthiss 20:38, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This category is a subcategory of Category:One-day international cricket, and there is a list relating to the topic. I believe the contents would be suitable in the parent category and this one is over categorisation, and I cannot see it expanding. If consensus decides to keep, can I suggest a rename to Category:One-day International records as the hyphen is standard form. Upmerge and delete. mattbr30 10:04, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Monuments and memorials[edit]

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The result of the debate was rename. Syrthiss 20:09, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

After looking at monument and memorial I am little the wiser on the difference between a monument and a memorial, and neither article addresses the issue. The main factor in determining whether an article is categorised as a monument or a memorial seems to be which category the categoriser was aware of at the time, though quite a number are categorised as both. There are seven things with "monument" in their name in Category:Memorials and three things with "memorial" in their name in category:Monuments, and that is only at the top level. Take the by country categories into account and the confusion is much worse (there are eight things called "Memorial" in Category:Monuments in London alone). I think that creating combined categories for "Monuments and memorials" offers the only chance of a robust and consistent system. Monument categories are more numerous, but if we simply converted the memorials categories into monuments categories, new memorials categories would most like pop up in the future and we would be then be back to square one. Combined categories would still allow one term or the other to be used where it has some official or specialised relevance, eg in Category:Declared monuments of Hong Kong.

  • Rename all CalJW 04:53, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename all. Seems to be a good cure for the ambiguity betweent the two categories. AmiDaniel (Talk) 05:24, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unsure. A couple points. In the U.S. we have things called "National Monuments" which often do not fit any normal definition of "monument" that I know of -- it is a peculiar legal tool that the President can, without Congress, give special protection to federal lands by designating them as such -- but probably this exception should not stand in the way of the renaming. On another point, why "Monuments and memorials" rather than "Memorials and monuments" -- i.e. alphabetical order? — Eoghanacht talk 13:05, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom. Bhoeble 17:39, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: My instinct is to say that a monument is a type of memorial, usually some kind of distinct, stand-alone structure, whereas memorials could also be within or attached to a structure, or have no material presence, etc. I expect there's a slew of counter-examples. Regards, David Kernow 06:11, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • The main problem is that "monument" has multiple meanings. Very often monuments are memorials (and that is how they described in the monuments article. But they can also be boundary markers or natural landmarks. — Eoghanacht talk 10:46, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • I think I'd use "landmark" or the like for those, i.e. reserve "monument" for a memorial(-related) structure. Anyone else?  David Kernow 16:22, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to "Monuments and memorials" because "monument" is broader, if there is any difference at all. Nathcer 07:40, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom and I have added category:Australian monuments, which contains one item. ReeseM 22:25, 19 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Mumbai landmarks to Category:Visitor attractions in Mumbai[edit]

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The result of the debate was merge. Syrthiss 20:39, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The visitor attractions category is older and better populated. These are more or less the same thing (though the range of meanings of "landmarks" makes it very confusing as a category name). Merge CalJW 03:54, 13 April 2006 (UTC).[reply]


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Ritornare a Roma (o, Sezione di Roma: Il Seguito)

Category:Fora (forums) of Rome to Category:Forums of Rome[edit]

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The result of the debate was renamed already. Syrthiss 20:40, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yet more parentheses from Rome. I have no strong feelings on this plural, but the only article with a plural is called Imperial forums. Rename CalJW 02:32, 13 April 2006 (UTC).[reply]

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Category:Baths (ancient) in Rome to Category:Ancient Roman baths in Rome;
Category:Circuses (ancient) in Rome to Category:Ancient Roman circuses in Rome;
Category:Theatres (ancient) in Rome to Category:Ancient Roman theatres in Rome[edit]

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The result of the debate was renamed already. Syrthiss 20:40, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The parentheses are inelegant. Rename all. CalJW 02:19, 13 April 2006 (UTC).[reply]

  • Rename, but cut off the redundant "in Rome." Ancient Roman baths, Ancient Roman circuses, and Ancient Roman theatres should suffice. AmiDaniel (Talk) 05:29, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • It isn't redundant at all. The Romans built such things all over their empire but these three categories are specific to the city of Rome. CalJW 06:44, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yes, but I still don't see any reason to make that distinction. The categories are already quite underpopulated as it is, and we're certainly not going to make a category for every city in which the Romans built theatres, cicuses, and theatres. Until there are more articles to warrant a distinction between the different geographical locations of the structures, I don't see any reason for the category to be so specific. AmiDaniel (Talk) 07:09, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom. Bhoeble 17:44, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom, AmiDaniel's concerns nothwithstanding; only a matter of time before someone starts writing about (say) the Ancient Roman baths in Bath, etc. David Kernow 06:14, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename; per David Kernow -- ProveIt (talk) 16:38, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ancient entertainment buildings of Rome to Category:Ancient monuments in Rome[edit]

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The result of the debate was renamed already. Syrthiss 20:40, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think this intermediate step makes navigation any easier as it is not a category I would expect to find. Merge into category:Ancient Monuments of Rome (which is up for renaming as category:Ancient Roman buildings and structures in Rome. CalJW 02:15, 13 April 2006 (UTC).[reply]

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Category:Art galleries in Rome;
Category:Art galleries and museums in Rome[edit]

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The result of the debate was delete. Syrthiss 20:40, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Both empty. The standard from category:Art museums and galleries in Rome already exists. Delete CalJW 02:04, 13 April 2006 (UTC).[reply]


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Encore grazie per la visita!



Category:Beatles song stubs to Category:The Beatles song stubs[edit]

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The result of the debate was rename. Syrthiss 20:45, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To bring the category into line with the others in Category:The Beatles. kingboyk 01:14, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

renamne as per nom. Grutness...wha? 02:38, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. AmiDaniel (Talk) 05:31, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom. Bhoeble 17:46, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom. —Whouk (talk) 09:05, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename --Mal 08:21, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Elections in Man to Category:Elections in the Isle of Man[edit]

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The result of the debate was rename. Syrthiss 20:46, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The current name is denounced on the talk page by a user called Manxy, who is presumably in a position to know. Rename CalJW 00:35, 13 April 2006 (UTC).[reply]

I agree with him/her. Rename. Grutness...wha? 02:39, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom. Bhoeble 17:46, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename as proposed. David Kernow 06:18, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom. Angus McLellan (Talk) 12:36, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes definitely delete Elections in Man but why even have a in the Isle of Man cat - no need. Just put it in Isle of Man cat.Manxy3 09:04, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename. Man on its own is not the name of the place. —Whouk (talk) 09:07, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename. Vod. David | Talk 12:17, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Named galaxies[edit]

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The result of the debate was delete. Syrthiss 20:46, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • DLETE No criteria mentioned for what is a "real name" for a galaxy. The linked to page on seds.org lists designations, catalog entries, constellation's name with order by discovery etc, as "proper names". I do accept that the page lists the common names for the galaxies, mostly (although some are arguably better known as the Messier or NGC number). Zzzzzzzzzzz 01:03, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, but maybe find a better name. I think it's appropriate to distinguish between the well-documented, "common" galaxies, and the random galaxies identified with numbers and letters. AmiDaniel (Talk) 05:34, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, the list provided as an external link is hardly inspiring for a "proper name" set of galaxies. 132.205.44.134 00:03, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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