Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Theramenes

Theramenes[edit]

Self-nom, has had two peer reviews; particular thanks to Yannismarou. Theramenes is a fascinating figure, who managed to become centrally involved in every major political controversy at Athens between 411 BC and his death; his dramatic death scene is one of the most frequently retold episodes of ancient history. Needless to say, hardly anybody's heard of him these days. --Robth^Talk 04:51, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Quick comment: could you have the pronunciation of Theramenes added? Thanks, –Outriggr § 05:27, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, I can try... None of the sources actually give the pronunciation, but every classicist I've heard use it says it "Thuh-ram (like the sheep)-en-eez; ancient Greek pronunciation, on the other hand, would probably have been something more like thuh-rom-en-ace. So that could be tricky, (and, if you couldn't tell, I don't know IPA.) --Robth^Talk 05:58, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - We are still not sure about the pronunciation of the ancient Greek names. I think that since the article includes his name written both in English and in Greek it is ok. Now, just theoritically, the pronunciation of his name must have been something like that: θeeræmenees. But I donot think we need that.--Yannismarou 17:47, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment the article could use an infobox... :) -- Grafikm ^(AutoGRAF) 14:14, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- We talked about that at the MILHIST peer review, and decided that since we don't have a picture of Theramenes, an infobox would just look weird. --Robth^Talk 14:25, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh, and I should have noted: the two peer reviews are here and here.

--Robth^Talk 15:57, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

- - What, they didn't have cameras by then? What a bunch of savages... :)) Anyway, full Support from me :) -- Grafikm ^(AutoGRAF) 11:54, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I think this is one of the best encyclopedic article for Theramenes ever written.--Yannismarou 17:47, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Posted pretty long peer review on the talk page. Hope my comments have some merit. - Tutmosis 18:06, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for the suggestions; they were very useful, and I have made a number of clarifications in the article. My specific response is on the talk page. --Robth^Talk 19:58, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - Due to the fact that you adressed my concerns on the talk page, there is nothing left for me to do but to give my Support for this very qualified for featured status article. Thanks again for adressing my concerns. - Tutmosis 20:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support, all the issues raised in the peer review have been resolved; this is an excellent article. Kirill Lokshin 19:59, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, this is a pretty good article but there is no picture of Thermenes. Whats up with that? Mercenary2k 20:27, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
From the peer review discussion, it would appear that one simply doesn't exist. Kirill Lokshin 20:33, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe that could be added in some way under "Hisortical record". But it could be really hard to find some work that mentions the lack of existense of a dpeiction of him. :) Jeltz talk 21:27, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support OOps. my Bad. Didnt't read that section. It has my support then.Mercenary2k 20:36, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support Great article, deserves FA. Kyriakos 21:23, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional support. Usually the opposite concern arises in FAC, but, could some the paragraphs be split up? I am speaking of the paragraph in section "Overthrow of the democracy", and the second paragraph in section "Conflict within the movement", and there are others. Also, the sentence "In the wake of the Athenian defeat in Sicily, as revolts began to break out among Athens' subject states in the Aegean Sea and the Peace of Nicias fell apart, with the Peloponnesian War resuming in full by 412 BC, a number of Athenian aristocrats, led by Peisander and with Theramenes prominent among their ranks, began to conspire to overthrow the city's democratic government. is rather long and hard to parse. Great job, –Outriggr § 21:44, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I split up both of those paragraphs and that sentence, which I think was the last survivor of the ferocious semicolon-beasts that prowled this article in its early drafts. --Robth^Talk 06:34, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]