Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Thunderball

Thunderball[edit]

Self-nom and re-nom. Good all around article on Fleming's novel, the comic strip, the film, as well as the major impact the novel/film had on the James Bond series, spy fiction, and "spymania" during the 1960s. Very comprehensive. 2005 also marks the 40th anniversary of the film. K1Bond007 19:38, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

Support. Excellent piece - I'm no lover of the James Bond franchise but even I found this involving and interesting. Angmering 23:37, 3 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Well done. Andre (talk) 00:40, September 4, 2005 (UTC)
Support Object - Great article, but all images are claimed as "fair use" although the description pages do not include details of 1. Source, 2. Copyright holder and 3. Fair use rationale. Wikipedia:Image description page explains what is required. The images on KaDee Strickland and Sunset Boulevard are examples that might be helpful. Rossrs 12:16, 4 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work on updating the description pages and thanks for acting so promptly. Could you have a look at Image:Ian Fleming.jpg which is still missing info, everything else is fine. Will support when Fleming image is sorted out. Rossrs 01:56, 5 September 2005 (UTC) [reply]

Yeah, I started to look into it, but apparently forgot to fix it with the others. Should be good now. K1Bond007 02:10, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

I think so too. Well contructed article, very happy to support it. Rossrs 10:59, 5 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Support. pamri 02:48, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
Support. Well done, good overview of all the media, professionally written. --Primalchaos 04:34, 5 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Object—Many unclear statements, partly because of poor syntax and underuse of commas. Take the opening sentence as an example: 'Thunderball is the ninth James Bond novel written by Ian Fleming, based on a screen treatment by Kevin McClory, Jack Whittingham and Ian Fleming.' So, James Bond novels were written by other authors? (This is the implication.) Is Ian Fleming based on a screen treatment? What is a screen treatment, anyway? 'The book is the first chapter'—That's a little confusing. The prose is way too poor for a FA. Tony 06:47, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

The screen treatment bit is specifically explained in the article. The wording "screen treatment" is not mine, but that of the courts specifically used to give credit to other authors who were involved in the development of the story while it was being created as a screenplay. I added quotes around the line, but I can't add any more information on the matter in the intro because there is a giant section of the article devoted to why it says that. I suppose I could make a footnote on this; however, that would be redundant.

Please feel free to copyedit the article to better the prose. I did what I could and attempted to cleanup the two examples you gave, but I don't know what all your objections are. K1Bond007 16:50, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

have linked "screen treatment" to film treatment which gives a brief, clear definition. Rossrs 21:11, 5 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've tinkered with this. The opening now says Thunderball is the ninth of Ian Fleming's James Bond novels, which is clearer. It's also Fleming's ninth novel, but that's probably too much information in one space.-Ashley Pomeroy 17:40, 7 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

OK, good work; am I interested enough in the topic to edit the rest? If I get time; don't you have collaborators who could go through it? It needs a thorough job. Tony 01:39, 6 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I have made substantial contributions to this article in the past, however a lot of recent work has been done on it by other parties and I think it holds together quite well. 23skidoo 16:56, 5 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I'm a bit of a Bond fan myself. As I walk through the supermarket I like to imagine myself shooting the other shoppers in cold blood, and then kissing them. I am British, just like James Bond. I have been involved in a fight on a train. And I have played golf. But as for the article, and apart from some odd grammar, I believe it is detailed, it covers all the various media including the comic strips, and I enjoy looking at drawings of women in old-fashioned bikinis, and there is one at the top of the article, and that pleases me. On a tangent, I am impressed with the way that the woman on the book cover, drawn in 2003, nonetheless looks like a woman from 1961; women looked different back then, I assume because standards of beauty were different. Couple of things, though. "At the last minute, a reference to a then-recent, famous Great British Train Robbery was inserted into the S.P.E.C.T.R.E meeting near the beginning of the film" - firstly, "a then-recent, famous" is clumsy and secondly what is the reference? Don't answer me here, put it in the article. -Ashley Pomeroy 17:40, 7 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]