Wikipedia:Featured article review/Architecture of Windows NT
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Architecture of Windows NT[edit]
Review commentary[edit]
Brought to FAR due to the sparseness of references. SP-KP 08:20, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- This is currently being dealt with. I have a book where I'm looking for the info that you are requesting, this might take me a few days. I really feel that this is a little premature for FARC. - Ta bu shi da yu 08:31, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't being proposed for FARC - just FAR. I wouldn't want to see the article delisted as it is a good article. It just needs many more references. Hopefully this FAR listing will attract more volunteers to help Ta bu shi da yu, and these people may have other books to add to the one you're using. SP-KP
- Glancing at the statements that have been tagged as requiring citation, it's hard for me to imagine that specific citation is really required in these cases. What challenges do you think are likely to a statement like "[the security subsystem] looks after Active Directory"? Christopher Parham (talk) 21:12, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Chris, there is a pretty wide consensus that the article is underreferenced, so I think you're in the minority here (that doesn't mean you're wrong of course, but you will need ot argue your case). If you want to show that this article is somehow special in that the vast majority of its content is so trivial that its doesn't need citing, then here is definitely the place to do it, but you'll need to do more than just picking a single example if you want to change people's opinions. If on the other hand, there are just some individual statements tagged as needing citation which you think are too trivial to need it, please do bring those up on the article's talk page; I'd be more than happy to discuss any of these with you there. SP-KP 21:54, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Looking at the article, I think that the majority of the tags you've added are to statements that are not likely to require citation. For instance, none of the statements that are tagged in the section "User mode" would seem likely to be challenged. The statements simply describe the nature of different parts of the operating system. Could you explain what challenges you think these statements are likely to encounter? For your convenience feel free to pick any one that you feel is particularly troubling. As far as a general consensus, I see you and Falcorian. Who else do you have in mind? Christopher Parham (talk) 22:25, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Also Ta bu shi da yu, who did most of the work writing the article and recognises the need for better referencing. I'm not going to get into a defence of specific cn tags here - WP:V makes it clear that the burden of evidence is on those wishing to add material not on those wishing to see it referenced; if you've got concerns over specific tags, as I said above, I'm happy to discuss on the article's talk page. SP-KP 10:03, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Chris, there is a pretty wide consensus that the article is underreferenced, so I think you're in the minority here (that doesn't mean you're wrong of course, but you will need ot argue your case). If you want to show that this article is somehow special in that the vast majority of its content is so trivial that its doesn't need citing, then here is definitely the place to do it, but you'll need to do more than just picking a single example if you want to change people's opinions. If on the other hand, there are just some individual statements tagged as needing citation which you think are too trivial to need it, please do bring those up on the article's talk page; I'd be more than happy to discuss any of these with you there. SP-KP 21:54, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
FARC commentary[edit]
Comment: I see "This isn't being proposed for FARC - just FAR" above, but it remains indeterminate. Moving to see how people feel. Marskell 09:43, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Progress with adding references seems somewhat slow, but apart from that the article still feels like an FA quality article. Can we leave it here while Ta Bu Shi Da Yu does his work, rather than de-featuring it? SP-KP 11:11, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- No time, unfortunately. I'd like to point out that this is not largely my fault, as this article has degraded since becoming FA. - Ta bu shi da yu 02:22, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Remove per 1c. LuciferMorgan 09:35, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Suspend until Ta bu shi da yu has time; the fact it's under review will be sufficient warning not to front-page it. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 14:49, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm willing to go along with a postponement of the axe only if Ta bu can give us a date. Otherwise, I think this is hardly "among our best work". It's a very choppy, unsatisfying read. Who is the intended readership, anyway. It's boring. Poorly referenced. Tony (talk) 11:33, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It's a dry subject. This is unquestionably better writing than a manual on Windows would be; as for the sourcing, short of consulting such a manual to duplicate the points, Ta bu shi da yu looked up the obvious sources. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 15:37, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks mate. I don't think the referencing is particularly good at the moment though. Somebody added a whole bunch of subsystems, with no references. I'll need to find the time to remove the misleading info. - Ta bu shi da yu 13:29, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Yeah, nice. What's boring for one isn't boring for another. Basically, you seem to be objecting to the subject matter (with the implication that those who are interested in the topic are "boring" - pretty close to a personal attack, I think). However, I think we had better delist this as I have no time to work on it, and it has unfortunately degraded and since then FA standards have risen anyway. - Ta bu shi da yu 13:20, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It's a dry subject. This is unquestionably better writing than a manual on Windows would be; as for the sourcing, short of consulting such a manual to duplicate the points, Ta bu shi da yu looked up the obvious sources. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 15:37, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Please unsuspend FARC and delist[edit]
Please unsuspend this FARC and delist the article please. This article has degraded. Here a diff of the last revision that's closest to my submitted FA, and the current revision. Totally different, full of unsourced material. - Ta bu shi da yu 13:39, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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