Wikipedia:Featured article review/Duke University/archive3

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article review. Please do not modify it. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was delisted by Nikkimaria via FACBot (talk) 2:46, 24 July 2021 (UTC) [1].

Duke University[edit]

Notified: Bluedog423, Tribe of Tiger, WikiProject Higher education

Review section[edit]

Myriad issues were raised at the talk page by RetiredDuke three months ago and do not appear to have gotten any engagement. They include excessive length and undue focus on certain areas, inadequate sourcing, and puffery. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:32, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Answering to the ping; it seems like there's no one actively maintaining this article to FA standards. The Notable People section is a sprawling mess, the article's organization is lacking ("Duke Alumni Association" and "Duke Magazine" should not be their own sections, for instance), PROMO abound (why even the logos for the Medical School and Kunshan), and I've highlighted in Talk several instances where the text is not supported by the sources provided. Just now, as an exercise, I've focused on that Cultural groups on campus include the Asian Students Association... paragraph, and both organizations that I've randomly checked, Blue Devils United and Mi Gente, are not mentioned in the links provided. So I suspect there's some of "I'm familiar with this subject so I'll just edit it to my knowledge" going on, that needs to be thoroughly checked. RetiredDuke (talk) 11:25, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: There seems to be some edits to this article; if those editors are willing to improve it, this article might be "kept". After a quick skim, some of my concerns include: too many images and MOS:SANDWICH happening throughout the article, some references are bare URLs or don't provide enough information, unsourced paragraphs, sections that are too short and WP:PROMO material that is not notable. I am willing to conduct a thorough copyedit if someone will respond to concerns I raise. Is that person you? Post below! Z1720 (talk) 20:59, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Devonian Wombat: I see you've been doing some work here - are you able to address the concerns raised above? Nikkimaria (talk) 01:20, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, no, I fixed some of the more egregious problems, but vast amounts of the article are sourced to primary sources, and there is suboptimal wording pretty much everywhere. While I do believe these issues would be possible to fix, it would require a ton of work that I do not have the knowledge or motivation to put in. Devonian Wombat (talk) 02:16, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Move to FARC - some edits have occurred, but the don't seem to be continuing, and the undue reliance on primary sources mentioned above is still present. Hog Farm _Talk 21:12, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Move to FARC: my comment above went unanswered. While Nikkimaria has done a great job removing SANDWICHING concerns, and other editors were improving it in early June, there's still a lot of paragraphs and sentences that need citations. Major work seems to have stalled. Z1720 (talk) 19:35, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Duke University has 50 members; if someone knows how to ping them all, that might draw out some helpers. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 22:08, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging Duke alumni: are any of you interested in saving Duke's article from being delisted as a featured article? User:Aeschyla, User:Alphastream, User:AzseicsoK, User:Belltower, User:Bluedog423, User:Brim, User:Bubbachuck, User:Clariosophic, User:Daveahern, User:Detlevx, User:DukeEgr93, User:DukeU, User:Esrogs, User:Euphoria3, User:Fleiger, User:Gregw824, User:Hc5duke, User:IACOBVS, User:Isaac Cha, User:JoeMeyerowitz, User:Kevparks, User:KitchenGod, User:Krazos, User:Malachirality, User:Maphalda, User:Mercury258, User:Merveilleux, User:Mtphillips, User:PeterStJohn, User:RadioMorphic, User:RFerreira, User:Rinnenadtrosc, User:RTejedor, User:Samkung, User:Satbridges, User:SCMatt33, User:Shanedidona, User:Sifaka, User:Soccernamlak, User:Tanman, User:Theriddles, User:Tinlash, User:Trusino, User:Usharimau, User:Wassermann~enwiki, User:Wgrisaitis, User:Xsmith, User:Yellowfiver. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 18:14, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Sdkb: Thanks for the ping; you woke me from my wiki slumber. I'm not up to date on current editing practices, but I can at least add a call out to User:jbmurray who might help again. Xsmith (talk) 01:31, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Xsmith; glad to have you back from the wikislumber haha! Essentially, featured article de facto standards have gotten more stringent since 2012, and Duke's page hasn't necessarily been maintained to standard, thus why we're here. If you or someone else goes through the objections above and at the talk page and tries to address them, there's a better chance of being able to save this. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 02:53, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

FARC section[edit]

Issues raised in the review section include sourcing and coverage. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:04, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delist: Nikkimaria did a major cleanup in mid-June, but concerns are still present in the article about unsources statements and too much detail. Z1720 (talk) 01:51, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delist I was hopeful someone familiar with Duke would pick this one up, but it doesn't seem to have happened. A good deal of unaddressed issues remain. Hog Farm _Talk 13:46, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delist per above, sourcing problems Bumbubookworm (talk) 19:11, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This removal candidate has been delisted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please leave the {{featured article review}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:46, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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