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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article review. Please do not modify it. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was delisted by Nikkimaria via FACBot (talk) 4:50, 5 February 2022 (UTC) [1].

The Green (Dartmouth College)[edit]

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Review section[edit]

I am nominating this featured article for review because a large part of the sourcing is to the university itself, or a blog called "Dartmo", so it lacks high-quality reliable and independent sources Bumbubookworm (talk) 12:42, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(on mobile) @Bumbubookworm: As the nominator is mostly retired, to be fair to them you should at least copy their defense of Dartmo's reliability from the FAC. Regarding non-independent sources, it's typical for higher education articles to have a lot of those, as they're typically the best available, so I'm not sure that'd be enough alone to get me to !vote to delist. What would get me to delist is if the non-independent sources are used to support information that does not fall under the WP:ABOUTSELF criteria. Did you find any such information? {{u|Sdkb}} talk 18:00, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
From an outside look, it seems like a lot of the non-independent sourcing is just used to establish basic characteristics of the green or noncontroversial history, although "Given the Green's role as "the physical and emotional center of campus life,"" should almost certainly have a secondary source. On an unrelated note, "Dartmouth is well known for its variety of long-standing student traditions" is something that should ideally be sourced to something more recent than 1999. Hog Farm Talk 14:15, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think the tag-bombing of this article should be reverted; Dartmo was covered in the FAC, and it appears to meet WP:SPS, and is not used to cite anything controversial or self-serving. Once that is done, I’ll do minor MOS cleanup. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 10:11, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the unreliable sources tag and the inline taggings of Dartmo as self-published. Hog Farm Talk 15:44, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment the History section seems to end at 1906. Are there any events of note for this space in the past 100 years? Perhaps renovations, major damage from a weather event, or changes to the space? Z1720 (talk) 17:48, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Move to FARC While the "Rallies and protests" section lists some events, there is no information on the history of this location post-1906 (renovations, proposals to protect the site, damage to the site from weather events, etc.) I raised these concerns in the above comment but they have not been addressed. Z1720 (talk) 18:24, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

FARC section[edit]

Issues raised in the review section include sourcing and comprehensiveness. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:47, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So delist because just from a quick link we've got some source-text problems. Hog Farm Talk 17:33, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delist per HF. As above, I don't find the primary sources issue concerning, but the things HF pointed to indicate a need for maintenance/changes, and it's clear none are forthcoming. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 18:08, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Delist, per Sdkb and Hog Farm (concerned that we not take an indiscriminating stance on usage of primary sources). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:41, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I've removed the cleanup banner, as it's been challenged by multiple people here and there doesn't seem to have been a compelling argument as to why those primary sources are problematic to the extent of slapping an orange cleanup banner on there. Hog Farm Talk 16:09, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist per above. HF pointed out comprehensive issues that need to be addressed. Z1720 (talk) 19:57, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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