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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by Giants2008 20:32, 18 June 2012 [1].

1964 Summer Paralympics medal table[edit]

1964 Summer Paralympics medal table (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 11:30, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because it think that it meets the criteria. Thanks. :) ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 11:30, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A few Comments

  • The image requires alt text, (an image of a medal winner would be nice too, understand though if none are available)
  • Refs 9-11 are not found (dartchery, snooker and table tennis)
  • Why are Ireland and Fiji listed when they didn't win a medal? This doesn't appear to be standard practice on any other wiki pages.
  • Why were there more gold medals awarded than silver (there is an explanation for bronze, but I don't see a corresponding one for gold/silver discrepancy)
  • "The Paralympics are run in parallel with the Olympic Games." the dates given for the paralympics are Nov. 3-12, while the 64 olympics were October 10-24. I'm confused about this (is it a general statement, or Tokyo specific?)
  • Why the link to the 1964 Summer Olympics medal table? Are the Paralympics really dependent on the Olympics? Do they not stand out as an event in itself? Perhaps a better link would be "See also: Olympic medal table" as is done on 2008 Summer Paralympics medal table or simply getting rid of it.
  • Dick Thompson doesn't appear to be the same one who won medals that paralympics.
  • Link United States at the 1964 Paralympics in the second paragraph (mention of most medals one), not the third (mention of Dick Thompson as multiple medalist) Ravendrop 04:21, 30 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
All Done. :) ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 07:02, 30 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support Ravendrop 07:50, 30 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support, looks OK to me. Dipankan (Have a chat?) 13:44, 30 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose unless I can be convinced why this cannot be reasonably included in the main article, i.e. 1964 Summer Paralympics. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:09, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just to tell, This list has 17 NOCs. Generally, if there are more than 10, we keep the top 10 in the main article (as in 1968 Summer Paralympics, and a separate list for the complete tally. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 10:23, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
We don't need a separate list if the main article is even smaller than the list itself... The Rambling Man (talk) 10:25, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, 1968 Summer Paralympics and 1972 Summer Paralympics are also smaller than their lists, however both the lists are FLs. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 10:45, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well, as ever, just because that's the case then, it doesn't mean it's the case now. Let's see what others think. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:58, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments from Crisco 1492
  • If this was actually an IWAS World Games, shouldn't it be made explicit that only wheelchair users were accepted (if true)?
  • The paragraph with persons who won multiple medals should have a lead-in sentence, to improve flow.
  • Why is the information about the US repeated?
Also, I'd like to note (in response to The Rambling Man above) that just because an article is a stub now, that doesn't mean it always will be; should the article ever be properly developed, I think a full medal table would be too much on top of all the text. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:50, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I'm aware that articles can be expanded, but there's really no justification now for a separate list article. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:06, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Done. :) ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 10:11, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Prose looks fine (although a more skilled copyeditor may find issues), referencing looks okay, I couldn't find any flaws with the table itself. Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:25, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 21:06, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments – Really concerned about some of the writing I found.
  • The non-free image in the lead doesn't have any rationale for this article. Even if it did, you don't need a non-free logo to help understand a list better, so it would fail to meet the non-free content criteria anyway. I strongly suggest removing the image, even if it is the only one avaliable for the list.
  • "The Paralympics are run in the the same city...". Repeated word here. Not sure why three editors are supporting if something like that went undetected for all this time.
  • Could move the Japan link up a sentence to where its performance at the Paralympics is discussed.
  • "Athletes with outstanding performance included Margaret Harriman of Rhodesia won two gold medals in archery, Serge Bec of France won two individuals gold medals". Needs a full-scale rewrite due to a disturbing number of prose issues. How was this not found before?
  • Could add "the" in "Dick Thompson of United States".
  • "United States's Ron Stein...". Should start with "The", and the "s" after States' isn't needed.
    • The apostrophe is still desirable, and is now needed after States." Giants2008 (Talk) 23:03, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Medal table: Might as well use the NPC abbreviation here, since you gave it earlier.
    • This wasn't done, but it's a minor point so I won't push too hard on it. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:03, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reference 5 needs a publisher. Giants2008 (Talk) 00:22, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Done. :) ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 09:50, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Left responses above. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:03, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Done. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 09:22, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I have to agree with TRM that this is a 3b violation: given the short size of the main article, this list could reasonably be included in that table. Until the parent article is longer, this can't be a FL, and if the same is true for 1968 and 1972, we may need to re-visit those and consider merging them into the parent articles. Harrias talk 16:46, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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