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Abel Prize[edit]

Featured list candidates/Abel Prize/archive1

Nominator(s): Tomcat (7) 09:00, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

An important mathematics prize. Regards.Tomcat (7) 09:00, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

In the infobox, remove "The" from "Abel Prize"
In the infobox, in Awarded for, the first word ("outstanding") should be in capitals
Remove period from "outstanding scientific work in the field of mathematics." in the list's infobox
Unlink Norway per WP:OVERLINK

I unlinked Norwegian.

Same goes for all countries linked in the table
"The amount of money that comes with the prize is usually close to US$1 million, similar to the Nobel Prizes, which are awarded in Sweden and Norway and do not have a category for mathematics." stuff like that needs referencing, there's also more, please check

In progress...

Removed

Merge the last paragraph in history, as it is very small
Add plainrowheaders to the table's coding for MOS:BOLD and MOS:ACCESS
In the laureates table, half of the citations aren't referencing. Why?
I don't think lots of those see also links are needed (like List of prizes, medals, and awards – mathematics), could you maybe remove some, or replace some?

Agree, removed some. I left out two that are notable

Why do some references use cite web and others don't? Be consistent. I'd use cite web for all them, as it looks better.
Ref. 2 is missing author, accessdate, exact date
Same goes for Ref. 3, 4, 6 (just the accessdate for that one)

I removed some references as per Naphit.

New York Times should be The New York Times
Ref. 5 doesn't have the author in the right place and everything, use cite web for all, for such cases.
Ref. 13 as publisher, say "Abel Prize" just instead of "The Abel Prize Official Website"
"The Abel Prize official web site" just say "Official website"
"The Abel Symposium web site" no space needed, say "website", as said above
Categories should be sorted in alphabetical order
Add alt text to the image as per MOS:IMAGES and WP:ALT

TBr and ley 15:37, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done the half. Thanks for your comments. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 13:49, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done the rest. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 09:31, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

"It is named after Norwegian mathematician Niels Henrik Abel (1802–1829)." could do with a reference, not something that is widely known
Don't think we need six references for the mathematician's nobel prize, two or three would suffice

Removed a few.

"It comes with a monetary award of NOK 6 million, which is approximately US$1.06 million." Does this go to the winner? make it explicit, also needs a reference

See above.

No that was a different issue, this sentence is still here and still needs referencing. NapHit (talk) 12:02, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"The Norwegian Academy of Science and Letters ~~annually~~ declares the winner..."

Removed

Countries should not be linked per WP:OVERLINK

See above.

"The amount of money that comes with the prize..." not great prose, needs revising

I removed this sentence.

"formerly awarded (1947–1989)..." include the years in the prose instead of brackets

Done

Not keen on sentences starting with "In..." its poor prose re-work sentences that start with that prefix

Done

"made known in 1897," remove this from the sentence adds nothing and is written poorly

Removed

"In 1899, shortly before his death, Sophus Lie proposed establishing an Abel Prize when he learned that Alfred Nobel's plans for annual prizes, made known in 1897, would not include a prize in mathematics." needs a reference

It is referenced? The refernce is [2]

"King Oscar II was willing to finance a mathematics prize in Abel's name, and the mathematicians Ludwig Sylow and Carl Størmer drew up statutes and rules for the proposed prize." when was this provide context for the reader

Done

"In 2001, after interest in the prize had risen..." how can interest in the prize increase when it does not exist until 2001? referring to it as a concept would be more appropriate, as that was all it was at the time

Clarified

prime minister -> Prime minister

Done, although you can also writer in small letters.

"A book series recently commenced, with one volume every five years, will present the Abel Prize laureates and their research." I have no idea what this sentence is trying to tell me

Reworded

"The first volume[12] covers the years 2003–2007." move the ref to the end of the sentence

Done

Citation column should be unsortable

Done

Image could do with alt text

See above.

Table needs colscopes to meet MOS:DTT

Done

What's reference those citations?

What?

All but one of the citations are not referenced, they ALL need referncing. NapHit (talk) 11:59, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ref 1 publisher appears to be ScienceNOW

Corrected

ref 2 needs an author, retrieval date and correct date of publication adding. Publisher is also Nature

See above.

ref 3 needs a tag noting it in Spanish, a retrieval date and correct publication date
Again ref 4 needs an author, retrieval date and correct date of publication adding, Publisher is Scientific American
ref 5 spell out what max is, not everyone knows what every acronym means, also an access date is needed
ref 6 is published 31 May 2009, not 1 June 2009 and again there is no retrieval date

Ref 3 (that is why you need to wait before I resolve the comments raised by other people)

As ref 12 is a book, you need to add authors and publishers, I'm not sure there is much point in having that doi when its just links to Springerlink and nothing specific

Authors not added as those are editors. Publisher already available.

ref 2 makes no reference to abel prize being the maths equivalent of the novel prize
ref 7 does make any reference to the abel prize complementing the Holberg Prize
ref 8 makes no reference to Norway providing a fund, ref 9 does though, so would remove ref 8
ref 11, I don't see any reference to where the prize is awarded or that fact it used to host the nobel prize

You really need to do spot checks before you nominate lists, as everyone you nominate has the same issues. FLC is not a peer review process, please check the refs are formatted correctly and the prose is of a decent standard before nominating. NapHit (talk) 17:39, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just a note, most of the issues you listed above were already commented on by me, and Tomcat7 said that he would work on addressing the issues. Cheers, TBr and ley 23:03, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and most are just duplications. Very unpleasent. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 10:11, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Majority of my comments are not mentioned by TBrandley, most of the duplicates are about refs and Alt text, which is not most. The point is this list should not have been brought here with all these issues outstanding (especially ones where references don't validate what the article is claiming), if you're going to moan about me posting similar issues to another reviewer then address the issues when they are raised, instead of fixing half and then not bothering for a while. Had the same issue with George Harrison discography, where at one point it took you two weeks to respond to issues I arose. If you can't be bothered fixing issues then why nominate a list in the first place? NapHit (talk) 11:59, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Since it is such a recent prize, it should discuss how is the prize different from more established ones in math such as the Fields Medal, and how was is viewed? I am personally curious which of the Fields and Abel is considered more prestigious. Also, what are the criteria (i.e. does the guy have to be alive when he is awarded?) Who makes the nominations? The group deciding is formed of what members? Nergaal (talk) 15:13, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I added more information--Tomcat (7) 18:36, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Arsenikk ^(talk)

First occurrence of NOK should be spelled out (Norwegian krone). Later occurrences can use the abbreviation.

Done

Currencies fluctuate a lot. Stating the USD conversion with such an accuracy will just make it inaccurate (today it is already 1.04). Stating that it is approx. $1M would be as accurate as you can be.

Rounded up

Prime minister of Norway -> Prime Minister of Norway (unique titles are capitalized)

Reverted

"Union" is not capitalized.

Decapitalized

Perhaps it could be mentioned, if my understanding is correct, that the Able Prize and the Fields Medal are the two "Nobel prizes of mathematics"?

I added a reference.

Is there a relevance to the medal being "a Nobel prize" in the grounds that it is issued by Norway, who also awards the Nobel Peace Prize? Do any of the sources mention this?

There are non-Norwegian awards that are referred to as a Nobel prize.

The lead says it is presented by the king, while the infobox says the academy presents it.

The award itself is presented by the Academy, while the King presents the statue. However, I made it consistent.

Sophus Lie and Oscar II are linked twice.

Delinked

Numbers over a million should be a combination of number and words, not eight digits in a row.

Done

Have you controlled that value for the exchange rate for 2001? I remember buying USDs for 9.45 NOK back then, which would make the USD amount somewhat smaller (this is why I don't convert currencies, it just creates a mess).

I don't know how to do check this.

Don't worry too much, it is probably close enough. Arsenikk ^(talk) 22:13, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Norway gave the prize... by this you presumably mean the Government of Norway?

Yes, done

It is not obvious how the title is referenced.

What do you mean?

My apology, I meant how the table is referenced.. Arsenikk ^(talk) 22:13, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Arsenikk ^(talk) 18:55, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose issues have not been resolved in due time. Arsenikk ^(talk) 21:54, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I did most of the points. Will resume later.--Tomcat (7) 18:36, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I responded to every point. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 12:00, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have some additional comments:

Now that there is both a history and a selection criteria, the lead must summarize all the content. This is not the case, as it tends to over-focus on the history and say near nothing about the award itself. For instance, the Norwegian Academy of Science and Letters is not mentioned in the lead. The first one and a half sentences in the lead is very good, but then it sidetracks and starts off discussing the dissolution of the union. I would advise that the most important information is presented first and then a second paragraph be created for the history.
Who are the other members of the committee? How many members does it have?
I am a bit confused by the first paragraph of "selection criteria". Is there a board? Is this the same as the committee?
Does "That person" refer to the nominator or the nominee?
The following long quote can easily be paraphrased to avoid a quote. Including such inline declarations as "According to the official website" should only be used if there is a reasonable doubt that this is not the case.
"The Abel Committee" should be "the Abel Committee"
Avoid using "and/or". The sentence could be formulated "Both Norwegians and non-Norwegians may serve on the committee."
"Abel Laureate" is not a proper noun, so it should be "Abel laureate".
Who is Sophus Lie? Perhaps add that he was a mathematician.
Drop "the centenary of Abel" as this is stated in a previous sentence.
"a volume of a book series recently commenced" reads very awkward.
The table needs a caption (created with |+)
Abbreviations should be avoided, such as NYU, MIT and UT.
"Royal Institute of Technology" is the official English name of KTH and should be used here.
As noted above, albeit with a confusing typo, the table is not referenced.
"Fields Medal" should not be in the see also section as it is linked in the lead.
Ref 4 has a syntax error.

Comment the vast quantity of basic fixes that have been required here lead me to believe that this should be withdrawn and worked on, probably taken through peer review, and brought back here. Unless all the above concerns are dealt with in double-quick time, that's what I'm going to do. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:04, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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