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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 15:36, 26 September 2009 [1].

Atlantic Coast Conference Men's Basketball Player of the Year[edit]

Nominator(s): Jrcla2 talk 22:49, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating this for featured list on behalf of myself and User:Remember because we believe that it fits FLC criteria and is referenced with WP:RS. After seeing the Big East Conference Men's Basketball Player of the Year get awarded a FL status, the ACC Player of the Year is now, we believe, worthy also. Jrcla2 talk 22:49, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Mm40 (talk)
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  • The ALT text mentions player names. While you and I may be able to recognize some of them on sight, the casual reader cannot. Mm40 (talk) 22:30, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Described their ethnicity and relative complexions.
  • In the key, symbols should be centered.
    • Centered.
      • Well, I must ask why this is necessary. In many FLs, this is not the standard way to show symbols in the key.—Chris! ct 01:43, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • I thought it was, but I'm evidently wrong. IMO, it still looks better. Not something I would've opposed over ;) Mm40 (talk) 02:25, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the table, use <sup> </sup> around symbols.
    • Superscripted.
  • In the "Seasons" column, some years are linked while others aren't.
    • There's actually a reason for this: There are only a limited number of pages created so far for ACC seasons. See Template:ACC Men's Basketball and you'll notice that any of the applicable seasons have been linked, while the others that are red links have not. It would look really ugly and unprofessional to have linked 25-30 non-existent ACC seasons.
  • I would remove the "See also" section because the only entry is listed as a category.
    • Removed.
  • In the second footnote: "Charlie Davis was the first African American player to ever receive this award." You can take out "ever".
    • Removed.
  • Do you think you should link Basketball in the first sentence? I'm unsure; up to you.
    • It wasn't linked when I opened the page. Actually, I scoured the rest of the page and couldn't find basketball being linked anywhere, so I'm not sure what to tell ya.
  • Link "National Player of the Year award".
    • Couldn't link that specific phrase, because the criteria mentioned in the key that the only two NPOY awards being used are the two most major ones. But, I did add a quick bit in the lead about that, so hopefully that resolves the dispute. Jrcla2 talk 00:09, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

After these comments are dealt with, I'll be glad to support. Cheers, Mm40 (talk) 22:30, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Support Mm40 (talk) 02:25, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support —Chris! ct 22:05, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • All looks good, but two quick comments:
    • Second "paragraph" of lead is one sentence, this should be integrated with another paragraph
    • What does the "class" column refer to and what do the different values "Senior/Junior/Sophomore" mean? Is this some sort of basketball terminology? It should be explained within the article or at the very least wikilinked somewhere
      • This refers to the year that a person is in school in the United States. See freshman, sophmore, junior, senior. I will try to think of a way to deal with this. Remember (talk) 13:12, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • I've gone ahead and added a footnote that explains to non-U.S. people the meaning of "Class". This should clear up the confusion. Jrcla2 talk 16:19, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Well, ya learn something new every day :-) Now happy to support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:47, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support Comment Really nice job; my only quibble is that the note about the first African American winner is unnecessary. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:35, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • When I added that it was because I felt that it was a poignant piece of information, because it shows (via college basketball) the historical race relations in the United States. If you really feel strongly about having it removed, I won't object, but it was never intended to be a slanderous or demeaning footnote, just an "interesting factoid" kind. Jrcla2 talk 16:20, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Agree with Jrcla2. Remember (talk) 17:00, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • I never thought it was "slanderous or demeaning" at all; it just seems to give undue weight to race, which really is irrelevant in this context. Furthermore, the lead doesn't make any mention about race at all, so a footnote like that seems strange. Dabomb87 (talk) 12:47, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • No that's fine, I'm just saying that it seemed pertinent to me when I put it in. If people feel that it might be superfluous and that it should probably be removed, that's also okay. I'm not going to argue a minor detail with this. By the way, this FLC has been up for a while now and doesn't seem to have any opposition, yet (so far) nothing but support. When can this finally close and become a FL? Jrcla2 talk 18:34, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • The directors will close the FLC when they think there is consensus. I have changed to weak support, and will support if the note is removed. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:23, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – List looks clean except for this note: "The University of South Carolina left the Atlantic Coast Conference in 1971, are are now a member of the Southeastern Conference." I think the first one is supposed to be "and". Giants2008 (17–14) 20:20, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Good catch. It's been fixed. Remember (talk) 20:31, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Very good list. Giants2008 (17–14) 19:10, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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