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The list was promoted by Scorpion0422 17:24, 31 March 2009 [1].

Big East Conference Men's Basketball Player of the Year[edit]

Nominator(s): Grsz11
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I came across this article in a very simple form and thought it had potential for featured status. I organized the list, wrote the prose and gathered references and now feel it meets the FL criteria. Grsz11 16:50, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Truco

Review by Truco (talk · contribs)

Lead
  • Acronyms need to be spelled out on their first occurrence
  • This was not done: Ewing, who shared the award in 1984 and 1985 with Mullin, was inducted into the Basketball Hall of Fame in 2008 after playing 17 years in the NBA between 1985 and 2002.--Best, ₮RUCӨ 22:16, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is still not done.--Best, ₮RUCӨ 23:28, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oops, missed that one. Done now. Grsz11 23:32, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The lead needs to state who was the first recipient(s) of the award
  • Three players have also been awarded a major national Player of the Year awards. -- awards should not be plural
  • Connecticut and Georgetown have had the most winners with seven each. -- comma before with
  • As of 2009, eight of the conference's current teams have had a winner, while eight have not. Providence is the only 1979 charter member to not have a winner, while Rutgers and West Virginia are the only others to join before the 2005 expansion without a winner. -- don't you mean after?
Just one quick comment, and I'll do the rest tomorrow. I do mean before, as they joined before 2005 and do not have a winner. Will reword to try and clarify. Grsz11 04:51, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • In total, the award has been given 36 times after 30 seasons (six ties). --> The award has been given 36 times in a total of 30 seasons.
  • 30 different players from ten schools have recieved the award. Of the winners, 16 have been seniors, 12 juniors, and eight sophomores. As of 2009, no freshman has won. --> As of 2009, 30 different players have received the award: 16 have been seniors, 12 juniors, eight sophomores, and no freshmen.
Table
  • All linkable content needs to be linked on all occurrences, because the table is sortable.
Images
  • Alonzo Mourning was the third center, all from Georgetown, to win. -- what does all from Georgetown mean?
  • Patrick Ewing (#33 jersey) won a share of the award twice in 1984 and 1985. -- twice implies that he won it 4 times in total
Footnotes
References
  • There is an inconsistency with the formatting of the ACC.com ref. One is in the work field while the other is in the publisher field (the latter is correct). In addition, the publisher is not the URL of the site.
  • Same thing for the NBA.com ref.--Best, ₮RUCӨ 03:01, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have made these corrections. Grsz11 21:11, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Followup comments
  • The previous tie was in 2002 between Brandin Knight and Caron Butler, also of Pittsburgh and Connecticut. -- previous tie -->most recent
  • The next year in 1986, Walter Berry recieved the Wooden Award. -- its either The following year or In 1986, not both
  • Connecticut and Georgetown have had the most winners with seven each. -- Comma before with
  • In total, the award has been given 36 times after a total of 30 seasons. -- after isn't really a good word choice, in replaces it better
  • The last 3 paragraphs are too small and can be merged.--Best, ₮RUCӨ 22:16, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, and done. Grsz11 22:19, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- Previous issues resolved to meet WP:WIAFL standards.--Best, ₮RUCӨ 00:56, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Chrishomingtang

Comment

  • Why is the year italic?
  • Only need to color the player
  • Add a space between the dagger and the year in Winners by school table
  • Please write complete sentence for footnote Why is the first note even needed? Just clarify that in the key.

—Chris! ct 02:27, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks Chris, I have make these fixes. Grsz11 21:53, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support—Chris! ct 20:32, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:01, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
  • "playing 17 years" Needs a non-breaking space between 17 and years.
  • "Connecticut and Georgetown have had the most winners"
  • "eight of the conference's current teams have had a winner, while eight have not." Wouldn't it be easier to say "half of the conference's current teams (8) have had a winner"?
  • "In total, the award has been given 36 times in a total of 30 seasons."
  • "including 16 seniors, 12 juniors, eight sophomores, and no freshman." "freshman"-->freshmen Also, comparable quantities should be written out the same way, so make all the numbers numerals or all of the numerals spelled out in words (no need to change "no" to 0 or zero).
  • "Alonzo Mourning was the third Georgetown center to win." Add "the award" after this.
  • Ditto for the Ray Allen caption. Also, it is possible to find free images of Allen and Mourning in college jerseys? Dabomb87 (talk) 15:56, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:01, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

  • Ref 22 needs format=PDF added to its template.
  • Ref 2, the title should have BIG EAST-->Big East
  • Can you add an ISBN and page number(s) to the book ref? Dabomb87 (talk) 15:56, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have made these fixes. As far as Allen and Mourning college pictures, I'm not sure. Do you have a site that you could recommend? Flickr doesn't help in this case. Grsz11 01:19, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from KV5
Comments from KV5
  • Missing a cell in the key table (last row is unclosed)
If you mean the class key, I'm not sure how to fix it, because it's combined with the postion and doesn't take up as much space.
  • It wasn't showing wrong in IE, but Firefox displayed incorrectly. I added a colspan parameter to make that last cell span two columns. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 13:09, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't separate symbols from their entries (no space between daggers and years; if it's cramped, superscript the dagger)
I was asked to fix this above. I'll defer to let you two decide which way it is.
I'd also prefer for there to be no separation. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:30, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Cincinnati is spelled wrong in the "Winners by school" table.
  • In that table, blank cells should have an em-dash.
Hope this helps. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 00:12, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Other than those two, I've gone and made this fixes. Grsz11 01:22, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I really feel that the class column should sort in order (sophomore, junior, senior) rather than alphabetical order. The easiest way to do that is with a sortkey (sort sophomore as 1, junior as 2, senior as 3) so that they sort by "age", if you will. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 13:12, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's a good idea KV, and I've done that. Grsz11 16:47, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
KV, I've made a stub for Dan Callandrillo. Grsz11 23:34, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support, though I would still like this stub to be created before promotion. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 23:23, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The symbols should be in the same cells as their corresponding color. Also, can you center the em dashes? Dabomb87 (talk) 01:31, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Have my comments (the ones right above this comment) been addressed? Dabomb87 (talk) 22:08, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done now. Grsz11 22:53, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments - Only a couple nit-picks, and I look forward to supporting soon.

  • "Connecticut and Georgetown have had most winners". Add "the".
  • "30 different players from ten schools have received the award". Consider changing ten to 10. Giants2008 (17-14) 02:11, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done by Dabomb. Grsz11 03:12, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from SRE.K.A.L.24

Comments from -- SRE.K.A.L.24[c]

  • It would be nice if you could tell which ones actually played in an NBA game.
  • Why do you have to abbreviate the positions and classes? The list is barely 50% of the page.
Done—Chris! ct 20:27, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why won't you link the seasons on the list?
Because they don't have articles. Grsz11 23:10, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Winners by school
    • Where is the source for the members of the Big East Conference?
Done—Chris! ct 21:19, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Instead of "Boston College (1979)[a]", couldn't you do "Boston College (1979–2005)"?
No - because heading says "School (year joined)"—Chris! ct 20:27, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I meant with renaming the column to "School[note]", instead. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 20:49, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done—Chris! ct 21:19, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keith, I've reverted the year to the original format. I think the changed style needlessly clutter the table, and didn't eliminate any notes as was your initial suggestion. Grsz11 23:15, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments - good list... some things...
    • I know we probably don't have a MOS statement or anything but I much prefer to see citations in numerical order, so would prefer [3][12] over [12][3]...
    • "....first given following the conference's first..." repetition of first, can we reword it to be more engaging?
    • "Three players have also been awarded a major national Player of the Year award." do you mean three winners of this particular award have also won a national award?
    • "...1979 charter member..." unclear exactly what this means to a non-Big East Conf reader.
    • "In total, the award has been given 36 times in 30 seasons. As of 2009, 30 different players from 10 schools have received the award, including sixteen seniors, twelve juniors, eight sophomores, and no freshmen." - the "In total" is also "As of 2009" so rework these two sentences so they're both related to the current year.
    • "...including sixteen seniors, twelve juniors, eight sophomores, and no freshmen...." - "including.. no freshmen" reads a little odd to me. I'd just say "made up of sixteen seniors, twelve juniors and eight sophomores."
  • Otherwise, it's there. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:32, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the comments, I have made these fixes. Grsz11 17:37, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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