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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man via FACBot (talk) 10:41:19 11 May 2019 (UTC) [1].

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Daniil Trifonov discography

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Nominator(s): Zingarese talk · contribs 20:20, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

This is the discography of a Grammy Award-winning young classical pianist, Daniil Trifonov. I believe that it meets the featured list criteria and is very thorough and informative. Compared to other FLs of the discographies of other classical artists, including Lang Lang discography, Vladimir Horowitz discography, Oregon Symphony discography, and Kronos Quartet discography, this article has a more engaging lede and is more detailed in terms of the actual lists. This is my second nomination of this list; the first was stalled after an editor expressed concern that #3b of the criteria was violated because the main article was small. It is now more than four times as large as it was when I nominated this list for the first time, with a large bulk of further expansion pending! As such, I hope any concerns of 3b are now alleviated, at the very least... Thank you very much for your consideration in advance, Zingarese talk · contribs 20:20, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Comments from BeatlesLedTV

• First off, I don't think using Vladimir Horowitz discography is a good template for this because honestly that list is very out of date in terms of discographies (promoted in 2010). It doesn't even have the discography infobox listing all the albums, nor does this one. You honestly need to have that here in this one.
  • I originally did, but then another editor removed it and rewrote the lede, which I actually like more than having an infobox and the previous lede.
• Most FL discographies start off with something like "So and so has released __ studio albums, __ compilation albums, etc." Why isn't that here as well?
  • See above.
• The tables need scope rows on the albums/singles (you have cols but not rows)
  • Argh, will fix asap.  Fixed
• Don't think Discogs is seen as a reliable source (It isn't (see WP:NOTRSMUSIC)
  • I’ll remove  Removed
• Trifonov Live should be in its own col like the rest
  • Will fix  Fixed
• Why aren't the album titles anywhere in the first paragraph?
  • Will add them  Added
• General question: Why are his albums referred to as 'CDs' when many were released as digital downloads as well? Why not just 'albums'?
  • I’ll look into that I  changed all mentions of "CDs" to albums

All I got so far. Still needs lots of work. BeatlesLedTV (talk) 21:13, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

@BeatlesLedTV: THank you for your comments; please let me know if you catch anything else. Zingarese talk · contribs 21:45, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

More comments:

• Put scope rows on the albums not the years (Lots of discographies don't even have a year col because it already says the year in the details)
  •  Done
• Separate titles on video releases
  •  Done
• Move refs to their own col at the end
  • I'm not sure I understand why that is necessary...most discographies have the refs with the album title
• "The Magics Of Music / The Castelfranco Veneto Recital" – don't need to capitalize 'of'
  •  Fixed
• Why is details in video releases table sortable when every other details section isn't? (hint: unsort it)

   Fixed

• Continuing from last statement, "The Magics Of Music" and "The Castelfranco Veneto Recital" should be italicized (not in quotes) (see MOS:ITALICTITLE)
  •  Fixed
• Gotta keep date formats consistent
  •  Fixed
• Remove the external link to Discogs (as discussed earlier)
  • Why? It's inappropriate to use it as a source for information, but I think it's fair to use it as an external link.

Still has a ways to go. BeatlesLedTV (talk) 17:56, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

@BeatlesLedTV: Thanks again for comments, and please let me know if you catch anything else. Zingarese talk · contribs 22:00, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

@BeatlesLedTV: Wanted to follow up; any further concerns? Zingarese talk · contribs 14:10, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

BeatlesLedTV do you intend to return to this review? The Rambling Man (talk) 07:52, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support – sorry completely forgot about this one. Looks much better now after others' inputs. Happy to support. – BeatlesLedTV (talk) 17:05, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Lirim

;Comments from Lirim.Z The tables are a mess. Sorry about that. Change class="wikitable sortable" border="1" to "class="wikitable plainrowheaders" wikitable sortable" I  changed it to class="wikitable sortable plainrowheaders" The column Year of release is completely useless  Removed The scope should be album names ! scope="row"| ''Chopin''. It also should be the first column.  Done Released should always be the first in the Album details column  Done The chart positions should be in the main table and not seperated Having them in the main table severely affected readability. Why are the two UK Classical Charts not indicated as different ones? Sorry, where are there two UK charts? You don't need to write Classical fully. Just abbreviate as Cl.  Done Chart positions shouldn't be sortable I just  changed the whole table to unsortable Why does it say GER but the Refs point to to Dutch sources? German classical charts can be found here: [2] Oops  Fixed To be honest, I would correct the table by myself. It would be the fastest and most efficient way. Not a bad article, but the tables are horrible. @Lirim.Z: Thank you very much! Please let me know if I missed anything or if you catch anything else. I'll try the thing with the chart positions later. I think there is a good way to do it.— @Zingarese: Check if you like my version. @Lirim.Z: I actually like it very much, with collapsible musical works! - Thank you! Shall I do the rest? @Zingarese: Sure. @Lirim.Z: Let me know what you think now! The lead needs Template:Infobox artist discography The References for releases should be behind the release date, not behind the title Ref 4, 11, 15, 27, 29: publisher=Deutsche Grammophon, don't use website Ref 5, 34: publisher=Medici Ref 6: Allegro seems to be "The Christopher Nupen Films", this should be the publisher then actually, the company name is Allegro Films Ref 16: The reference doesn't support the given statement Ref 21: The french charts are issued by the Syndicat National de l'Édition Phonographique Ref 22, 23: publisher Ref 28: publisher=AllMusic Ref 30: Discogs is not a reliable source Ref 31: Remove the author, fix the publisher These should be all (I hope). Dear @Lirim.Z: All should be fixed now (except for the one issue that I commented upon). Let me know if you catch anything else!!

Support—Lirim | Talk 02:14, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

• Quick question - how do you differentiate between a studio album and a live album? The second "studio" album says it was recorded at "Concert Hall of the Mariinsky Theatre in Saint Petersburg", which clearly isn't a recording studio, and the fact that it was recorded in a concert hall implies that it is in fact a recording of a live concert. Or was it recorded at the concert hall but without an audience and therefore isn't really "live"? Could you clarify.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:14, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
  • @ChrisTheDude: More often that not, concertos for piano and orchestra cannot fit in a normal recording studio. Huge solo instrument, conductor’s podium, 90-100 players in the orchestra... Piano concerto studio recordings are thus usually taken in a concert hall. Acoustically it’s still great, maybe even better, and most major concert halls already have a professional microphone system (which they use frequently for radio broadcasts). For albums of classical music, it’s quite the “norm” to label live recordings as “Live Recording” or “Recorded live at...” because of how different they can be (and always are) from studio recordings For instance, his two Rachmaninov concerto albums were also recorded in a concert hall- Verizon Hall in Philly - but watch the trailer, or even see the photo on the back cover of the Variations album - it’s on AllMusic- and you can see that it’s not a live recording. Same case for the Tchaikovsky album. Hope that clears things up! Zingarese talk · contribs 15:56, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
    • That makes perfect sense, thanks. I'll do a full review later -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:00, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
      • @ChrisTheDude: Wanted to follow up vis-à-vis your full review. Regards, Zingarese talk · contribs 03:34, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
        • @Zingarese: - humblest apologies, I completely forgot. I am about to log off, but I promise (promise!) I will do it in the next 48 hours -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:32, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
• Comments
  • "His first album for DG, The Carnegie Recital, was of a live recording from a recital" => "His first album for DG, The Carnegie Recital, was a live recording of a recital"
  • "such as those of Verbier and of Lockenhaus" => "such as those of Verbier and Lockenhaus"
  • "as well as Rachmaniana" => "and Rachmaniana"
  • "The first DVD included a documentary which included" - repetition of "included". If the first DVD only has this documentary, I would suggest changing the first "included" to "contained". If it has other stuff, change the second "included" to "featured"
  • "ranked on Billboard Top Classical Album charts" => "ranked on the Billboard Top Classical Album chart"
• Each album only has a ref against the release date - can you confirm that these refs also support everything else (the recording date and location and the contents)
  • "Format: CD4" - is that a typo? Never heard of a "CD4" before.........
• Think that's it from me........ -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:37, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

  Dear @ChrisTheDude: Thank you for your comments; i have made all of the changes that you suggested. I can also confirm that the references support all other details of each album in addition to the release dates. The reason why the references are behind the release date is because it was suggested above (previously, I had put them behind the album titles). Warm regards, Zingarese talk · contribs 05:04, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

  • You still had that "included.....included" thing at the end of the first paragraph, but I have fixed that for you and am now happy to support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:33, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Comment this list, and the associated work on the main Daniil Trifonov article, are excellent. I really appreciate the effort put in to cover the 3b concerns. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:52, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

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