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Dannii Minogue discography[edit]

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Nominator(s): Underneath-it-All (talk) 02:22, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this discography for featured list because I believe it qualifies. Furthermore, I have recently completely updated and improved the article by adding reliable references, a new lead and tables. Thanks! - Underneath-it-All (talk) 02:22, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 12:24, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
*Oppose

The Rambling Man (talk) 19:15, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Idiotchalk (t@lk) 22:28, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
*Comments
Other than that, everything checks out fine. Idiotchalk (t@lk) 21:06, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
All done :) – Underneath-it-All (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support
Looks good, seems to meet the criteria, glad to support! Idiotchalk (t@lk) 22:28, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! – Underneath-it-All (talk) 23:15, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note this nomination appears to have stalled. Suggest the nominator contacts relevant projects or editors who may be interested in reviewing this for FLC, or else we should archive the nomination. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:07, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:53, 11 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments

I have the following concerns:

  • Prose/MoS:
  1. and five video albums > and five [[Home video|video albums]] While there add in tally and link for music videos.
    1. Done — Underneath-it-All (talk) 23:44, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  2. number one UK dance hit > number-one UK dance hit
    1. Done — Underneath-it-All (talk) 23:44, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Clarify: "the release of "Who Do You Love Now?",". This seems to imply a solo hit by Minogue, there's no indication here that its by Riva or that it also peaked at number one on the same chart.
    1. Done. Added a note. — Underneath-it-All (talk) 23:44, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Verify by reliable source(s):
    1. "achieved thirteen consecutive number one dance singles, becoming the best performing artist" The closest the source, which is pretty weak for this claim, gets is "confirming Dannii's title as 'Queen of the Clubs', having reached pole position 13 times since 1997 - a feat no other female artist even comes close to". Nothing about consecutive, leaves possibility of a male artist or a band achieving more 'pole positions'. Furthermore, the Singles table in the FLC contradicts the claim: there are only 12 number-ones by Minogue, a 13th number-one is by Riva featuring Minogue; and the 12 are interrupted by two non-number-one singles, so they are not consecutive.
    2. Done. I removed the word "consecutive" and added a note that one was with Riva. — Underneath-it-All (talk) 23:44, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      1. Fix number one > number-one. Hint: for adjective e.g. number-one hit, for noun e.g. peaked at number one (the latter also has a hard space).
    3. "her first number one UK dance hit", "As of March 2013, she has sold over seven million albums worldwide". The profiletalent.com.au article is written by Melissa LeGear (not acknowledged), who is Minogue's talent manager and consequently not reliable for these facts.
    4. I have removed the album sales claim because I cannot find another source. — Underneath-it-All (talk) 23:44, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 21:20, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  2. Add |+ List of studio albums, with selected chart positions and certifications to second line of relevant wikitables, but adjust 'studio albums' to suit.
    1. Done — Underneath-it-All (talk) 23:44, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Adjust Hung ref:cite web|url=http://australian-charts.com/showinterpret.asp?interpret=Dannii+Minogue|title=Discography Dannii Minogue|publisher=australian-charts.com. Hung Medien|accessdate=19 March 2013 > cite web|url=http://australian-charts.com/showinterpret.asp?interpret=Dannii+Minogue|title=Discography Dannii Minogue|publisher=Australian Charts Portal. Hung Medien (Steffen Hung)|last=Hung|first=Steffen|accessdate=19 March 2013 Adjust similar refs in this style.
    1. Done — Underneath-it-All (talk) 23:44, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  4. For ref[6]. Add authorlink to David Kent (historian) While there check usage: only up to 1992; e.g. Girl (1997) at No. 69, not verifiable by either source. You'll need his later book at ref[30] for most of her 50+ singles/albums.
    1. Done — Underneath-it-All (talk) 23:44, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  5. For ref[15], and other similar. MoS album title.
    1. Done — Underneath-it-All (talk) 23:44, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      1. You've missed a few. e.g. ref[17]: title should be Love and Kisses by Dannii Minogue not Love and Kisses by Dannii Minogueshaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:35, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  6. For ref[20], and similar. MoS program title.
    1. Done — Underneath-it-All (talk) 23:44, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Fix ref[22], url currently ends with .pdfe should be just .pdf Also add: format, archivedate, date, and publisher's acronym i.e. (ARIA).
    1. Done — Underneath-it-All (talk) 23:44, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:10, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  2. UK Dance Chart refs: except ref[32], you need better sources for charting. Ref[3] is a record label, ref[31] is a tabloid, neither is reliable for such claims.
    1. Done. I have used the book written by Minogue and Terry Ronald to verify chart positions. I only own the kindle version (so no page numbers, but it's noted) — Underneath-it-All (talk) 23:44, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      1. My Story is an autobiography co-written with a long-term session musician/business associate and can be used for various details of her personal life, however it is hardly unbiased or reliable for charting information. You need a better source for all those number-ones. Does the Music Week source provide further information? (see here) If you use a number of these at Highbeam consider using a ref cluster to group them.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 01:26, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Format refs[36],[37], single titles are not italicised. Alternately: the two could be combined into one if citing the album rather than its tracks.
    1. Done — Underneath-it-All (talk) 23:44, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Wikilink Young Talent Time in Other appearances.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:34, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    1. Done — Underneath-it-All (talk) 23:44, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  5. A couple of (ARIA) for refs[33],[35]
    1. Done — Underneath-it-All (talk) 17:46, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Other appearances section now has a note claiming they're guest appearances, some of them are but some are not, fix this.
    1. Done — Underneath-it-All (talk) 17:46, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Page no. for ref[40]?
    1. Changed the ref. This was added by another user and I can verify it — Underneath-it-All (talk) 17:46, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Above the infobox, add templates: {{Use dmy dates|date=April 2013}} {{Use Australian English|date=April 2013}}
    1. Done — Underneath-it-All (talk) 17:46, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  9. At ref[2], add authorlink for each author; wikilink Kindle edition by pipe to Amazon Kindle and use template's edition= parameter, viz: {{Cite book| last = Minogue | first = Dannii | authorlink = Dannii Minogue | first2 = Terry| last2 = Ronald | authorlink2 = Terry Ronald | title = [[My Story (Dannii Minogue book)|My Story]] | year = 2010 | publisher = [[Simon & Schuster]] | edition=[[Amazon Kindle|Kindle]]| isbn = 978-0-85720-052-5}}
    1. Done — Underneath-it-All (talk) 17:46, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Ref[41], MoS title, including Of > of
    1. Done — Underneath-it-All (talk) 17:46, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Ref[55], full last name; add & wikilink publisher.
    1. Done — Underneath-it-All (talk) 17:46, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:35, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  2. Check ref tab order: some are no longer numerically correct.
    1. Done — Underneath-it-All (talk) 04:19, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:01, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Stability: handling possible edit wars
  1. Consider article history from about 2 to 30 March 2013, here: it shows considerable reversion of edits by anonymous IPs, a single purpose account, and others. Does this constitute edit warring? Consider the FLC criterion: "content does not change significantly from day to day". I support the attitude and activity of the nominator (and some other helpful editors) in ensuring that the content is appropriately verified by reliable sources and MoS standard is maintained. The article was correctly semi-protected on 5 March (to 19 March) but by 22 March another round of deletions/reversions started. All this disruptive activity may well be in response to the FLC process. I believe that greater communication on the article's talkpage – not just adding a comment to the reverting editors' pages or in edit summaries – about the issues would also help. This should have occurred from earliest opportunity, certainly by the time of 4 March when large blocks were being deleted and reverted. It can still be done as a historical reference. It shows your rationale to other editors, provides a record of the activity by disruptor(s) in a more visible place and should provide wider collegiate support for your efforts.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:40, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    1. Thank you so much for all your comments. They have definitely made the discography much better and reliable :) – Underneath-it-All (talk) 04:19, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are still two outstanding comments: Nos. 8 (check all refs for MoS titles of albums or singles) and 11 (still not happy with My Story as ref for Charting).shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:30, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have removed the UK Dance Charts because I cannot find reliable sources. They can always be re added at a later date. Also, all done Nos. 8 – Underneath-it-All (talk) 20:39, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stability: possible edit wars?
  1. Consider article history, since about 2 March 2013, here: it shows considerable reversion of edits by anonymous IPs, a single purpose account, and others. Does this constitute edit warring? I support the attitude and activity of the nominator in ensuring content is appropriately verified by reliable sources and MoS is maintained. However I believe that greater communication on the article's talkpage (not just any disruptive editors' talkpages or in edit summaries) about the issues would also help.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:42, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Keep an eye on those reversions, and I hope you find a reliable source for her UK Dance Charts.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:53, 11 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much! – Underneath-it-All (talk) 23:18, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from —Indian:BIO · [ ChitChat ] 07:45, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from IndianBio
  • The lead seems too short for someone with a long career as Minogue's. Please extend it. Like how her singles performed, or how she flopped? Or lose her popularity or her iniital success etc etc. Spice it up.
  1. Expanded the lead – Underneath-it-All (talk) 22:15, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the singles table, the Gold certifications for ARIA comes down in a new line. Why?
  1. WP:DISCOGSTYLE – Underneath-it-All (talk) 22:15, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can you point me out where does it say so in the MOS page above? —Indian:BIO · [ ChitChat ] 02:31, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's not what it shows lol. That's simply due to the Certification column length being less in width that the Platinum has come in a new line. Not the same thing. —Indian:BIO · [ ChitChat ] 16:30, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed – Underneath-it-All (talk) 23:04, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • How is profiletalent.com.au reliable?
  1. Removed and replaced it – Underneath-it-All (talk) 22:15, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 10, the german reference shold also be formatted for Hung Medien
  1. I formatted because it says its published by Media Control, not Hung Medien — Underneath-it-All (talk) 17:56, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please do not source anything from iTunes biography, except the cataloguing of an item. iTunes biography has no credibility.
  1. Done — Underneath-it-All (talk) 17:56, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 38, 39 needs catalogue no.
  • Use en-dash for the reference titles, not a normal dash.
  1. Done — Underneath-it-All (talk) 17:56, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thesea re all for now, biggest qualm is the lead section. Pretty much everything Shaiyadar has covered. —Indian:BIO · [ ChitChat ] 04:46, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support Good job on bringing the Minogue sister to FLC. —Indian:BIO · [ ChitChat ] 07:45, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! :) – Underneath-it-All (talk) 01:17, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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