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Hoodoo Gurus discography[edit]

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Co-Nominator(s): shaidar cuebiyar & Dan arndt (talk) 05:31, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

We are nominating this for featured list, as we believe that whilst it was previously nominated in May 2008 we have made significant improvements over the last month that address all the previous identified issues and satisfactorily deal with all the FL criteria. We have both been involved in a number of other successful FLC so we understand what is necessary to met these standards. Dan arndt (talk) 05:31, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Cartoon network freak
Resolved comments from Cartoon network freak (talk)
  • Lead
  • Formed in January 1981, the band was originally known as Le Hoodoo Gurus for the release of its first single, "Leilani" in October 1982. -> Formed in January 1981, the band was originally known as Le Hoodoo Gurus for the release of their first single, "Leilani" in October 1982.
  • released its debut album -> premiered their debut album
  • When issued in America by A&M Records, it stayed at number one in the Alternative/College charts for four consecutive weeks,[4] becoming one of the most played albums for the year on the college network.[5] -> Also issued in the United States through A&M Records, the record remained atop the Alternative/College Albums Chart for four consecutive weeks, with it also becoming one of the most played albums of that year on the college network.[4][5]
  • Hoodoo Gurus' peak of popularity in that market was in the mid-to-late 1980s with the albums Mars Needs Guitars!, Blow Your Cool! and Magnum Cum Louder,[6] all of which charted on the American Billboard 200.[7] -> The group's subsequent albums, Mars Needs Guitars!(1985), Blow Your Cool! (1987), Magnum Cum Louder (1989) and Kinky (1991), all reached the Billboard 200.
  • Crank and four top twenty singles. -> Crank, and four top twenty singles.
  • In 1992 the band -> In 1992, the band
  • Electric Soup/Gorilla Biscuit by BMG -> Electric Soup/Gorilla Biscuit, by BMG
  • which won the band's first Australian Recording Industry Association (ARIA) Music Award: for Best Cover Art in 1993. -> which won the group's first ARIA Music Award for Best Cover Art in 1993.
  • The two album set was certified double platinum for 140,000 units shipped. -> The two-album set was certified double Platinum for selling over 140,000 units in Australia.
  • charted in the top twenty -> charted within the top twenty in their native country.
  • The Hoodoo Gurus officially split in 1998, with Mushroom releasing a live album, Bite the Bullet, following the band's farewell tour. -> Hoodoo Gurus split in 1998 after the release of their live album, Bite the Bullet, in the same year.
  • In November 2003 Hoodoo Gurus reformed, and issued a new album, Mach Schau in the following year. -> In November 2003, the band reformed and made their comeback with a new album, Mach Schau (2004).
  • From February 2005 EMI issued expanded/remastered editions of all earlier studio albums. -> As of February 2005, label EMI made expanded and remastered editions of all of their earlier studio albums available for purchase.
  • Also in that month the group released, Tunnel Vision, a two-DVD set compiling every music video, plus live material and a retrospective documentary, "Be My Guru" -> At that time, Hoodoo Gurus released as well a two-DVD set, Tunnel Vision, which featured their whole music videos, live material and a retrospective documentary, "Be My Guru".
  • At that year's ARIA Awards, -> At that year's ARIA Awards gala,
  • Remove the unnecessary "the band's fifth ARIA nomination".
  • In 2010 they issued their ninth studio album, Purity of Essence, which peaked at No. 16 on the Australian charts. As part of the thirtieth anniversary celebration of the band's debut single, "Leilani", Sony Music Entertainment issued a compilation album, Gold Watch: 20 Golden Greats, in March 2012, which charted in the top twenty. -> In 2010, the group issued their ninth studio album, Purity of Essence, and celebrated their thirtieth anniversary by releasing a compilation album, Gold Watch: 20 Golden Greats, through Sony Music Entertainment in 2012.
  • first single, "Leilani" -> first single, "Leilani",
  • Remove Ref#3 from the lead, as the album is already referenced in the wikitables
  • Remove Ref#6 and Ref#7 from the lead; it's referenced later in the article\
  • Remove Ref#8 and Ref#9 from the lead
  • Remove "by BMG"
  • which won the band's first ARIA Music Award, for Best Cover Art, in 1993. -> which won an ARIA Music Award for Best Cover Art in 1993.
  • where did it ship 140,000 units?
    • As indicated earlier, ARIA certifies the transport (shipment) of albums/singles (etc) to Australian stores. Hence the 140,000 units are shipped to the various stores and websites, which are monitored by ARIA (or its allied agencies). I'm not sure what you want done here.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 09:25, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove Ref#1 and Ref#12 at this place.
  • reformed, and -> reformed and
  • Mach Schau in the -> Mach Schau, in the


:@Shaidar cuebiyar: These are my comments so far; more to come in the course of the next days... Ping me when you're ready with fixing. Best, Cartoon network freak (talk) 12:48, 14 April 2016 (UTC) [reply]

@Cartoon network freak: I have done most of these. Some I've reworded slightly:
  1. ARIA Accreditations are based on shipment not sales: this distinction is important. For some artists, albums may reach platinum, say, on the basis of 70000 copies advanced by their record company. Later more than half of those copies are returned as unsold, when the buying public don't respond to the degree expected, the accreditation still stands. ARIA rarely supplies sales figures.
  2. For Bite the Bullet, they split in January, it appeared in August.
  3. Some other differences are due to preferences in wording; nevertheless I believe I have addressed all your concerns.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 21:45, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  4. grammatically "released" rather than "premiered" is more accurate
  5. grammatically "charted" rather than "reached" is more accurate
  6. grammatically it is incorrect to have ", and" the comma is superfluous.
@Cartoon network freak: Aside, if pinging could you also dob in my co-nominator, @Dan arndt: I don't want him to miss all the fun.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:22, 14 April 2016 (UTC) [reply]
@Cartoon network freak: the lead paragraphs have all been reviewed by the Guild of Copy Editors. Dan arndt (talk) 02:26, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Shaidar cuebiyar: New comments for you! Cartoon network freak (talk) 08:38, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Cartoon network freak:, @Dan arndt: I have done most of these, I need clarification for some (see above).shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 09:25, 17 April 2016 (UTC) [reply]
@Shaidar cuebiyar: Lead looks great now; comments for wikitables coming as soon as possible... Cartoon network freak (talk) 05:19, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wikitables
  • For Purity of Essence, remove the "Music Entertainment".
Sony Music Entertainment is the actual label the album was released on, not Sony
  • For Gravy Train, remove the "Music Australia".
Sony Music Australia is the actual label the album was released on, not Sony
  • Electric Soup/Gorilla Biscuit -> Electric Soup/ Gorilla Biscuit.
done
  • The same for Electric Chair/Armchair Gurus.
done
  • You only need to link the labels used for release of any album in "Studio albums"; if it's used afterwards, you shouldn't link it.
typically for other FLs this only applies to each individual table.
  • For Gold Watch: 20 Golden Greats, remove the "Music Entertainment"
Sony Music Entertainment is the actual label the album was released on, not Sony
  • Also released as a 3× CD extended set, Bite the Bullet: Director's Cut -> make a note out of this sentence.
Done
@Cartoon network freak: not exactly certain what you mean but will check out HD.
The only differences I can see is the HG discography includes the catalog number and HD discography doesn't; the HG discography cites the reference next to the release date whilst the HD discography cites the reference next to the album name; and the HD discography has an extra column for sales. Can you clarify what exactly you mean.Dan arndt (talk) 12:21, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
To make it easier for you, I've already done it by myself.
thanks
  • For the albums in "Compilation albums" and "Live albums", there's no need to list extra information like "Includes a new version of "Use-By Date" or such.
Done
  • "Turn Up Your Radio"(by Hoodoo Gurus and Masters Apprentices) -> "Turn Up Your Radio" <br/> (with Masters Apprentices)
Done
@Dan arndt: New comments! Best, Cartoon network freak (talk) 05:21, 29 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

With my issues being resolved, I am now willing support to this FLC. Best regards, Cartoon network freak (talk) 05:12, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Ojorojo

  • I realize that this discography follows the same format as many other discography FLs, as set out in a stale proposed WP:DISCOGSTYLE guide. However, I wonder if this is the best way to present the information. A discography is a "descriptive catalog of musical recordings" (Oxford American Dictionary). Many WP discographies appear to be "lists of chart and sales data". I own several published discographies and none follow this format or place so much emphasis on sales and charts. In the "Studio albums" table, the album title and details are squeezed into two narrow columns, making it difficult to read. About 2/3 of the table is devoted to charts and sales. Are all of the country columns important? The UK Indie column has only one entry, CAN two, SWE four, etc. Similarly, the "Singles" table includes columns for CAN and NZ (1 entry each), UK Indie and US Mod Rock (2 entries each). So, there are four columns for six entries or about 1/4 of the space. There is no descriptive information for singles: releases, labels, B-sides, etc. Many indie bands release songs on B-sides that are not available elsewhere and may be noteworthy, contrary to WP:DISCOGSTYLE. Is there a way to present the information that has a more balanced look? In my view, current formats lack "visual appeal", one of the style criterion. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:49, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  1. I believe most of your commentary is more directly applicable for the Discographies/style talkpage, perhaps you should voice your concerns there?
  2. As for Hoodoo Gurus discography: the tables may have up to ten columns of charting for regions (countries) or component charts therein. There is not much charting information, in some of those columns, for this group; however this is still notable enough to be included in a featured list of their works.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:38, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, my concerns are more appropriate for the DISCOSTYLE talk page. I will take them up there. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:58, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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