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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 31 July 2021 (UTC) [1].[reply]

Johnny Depp filmography[edit]

Featured list candidates/Johnny Depp filmography/archive1

Nominator(s): Spy-cicle💥 ^Talk? 21:13, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The filmography of Johnny Depp, the guy who portrayed Captain Jack Sparrow, Edward Scissorhands, Sweeny Todd, and some interesting... portrayals of Willy Wonka and the Mad Hatter, among many other roles. Been slowly working on this for about a month primarily working on referencing, and should now hopefully meet the FL criteria. Spy-cicle💥 ^Talk? 21:13, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)

Tables need a caption ("|+ caption_text", or if that text would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it only visible to screen reader software with "|+ {{sronly|caption_text}}")
Television table is missing colscopes; Video games table is missing colscopes on one column --Pres N 21:28, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the comments PresN, I have added relevant sronly caption texts to the tables and filled in the remaining colscopes to the television and video game sections [2]. Regards Spy-cicle💥 ^Talk? 12:32, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 05:43, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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"In the early 2000s, he appeared in the romance Chocolat (2000), crime Blow (2001) action Once Upon a Time in Mexico (2003)" - comma missing after (2001), also while you can describe a film as simply a "romance", you can't describe a film as simply a "crime" or an "action", so you need to add the word film after both of those words
Done
"he portrayed Captain Jack Sparrow in the Pirates of the Caribbean series, starting with The Curse of the Black Pearl and reprised" - comma needed after Pearl
Done
"For his roles in The Curse of the Black Pearl, Finding Neverland, and Sweeney Todd, Depp was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Actor" - that reads as if he was nominated for a single Oscar for all three films combined, so I think you need to say "For each of his roles"
Done, added each
Golden Globe nod for The Tourist is not sourced
Done, added ref
If you are going to make the "role" column sortable then it needs to sort correctly - characters with a surname need to sort based on the surname, not the forename
Done added sortname templates, was not 100% sure how to deal with multiple roles or those with aliases but tried to use my best judgement.
Video games table is not sortable whereas the other two are. I know it only has two entries but you may as well be consistent
Done, made VG table sortable.
For the film where he was only a producer you show the role as "N/A", but for the documentary where he was only a producer you just leave it blank - be consistent
Done
That's what I got on a first pass..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:20, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@ChrisTheDude: Thank you for comments, I have made adjustments [3] and responded above. Regards Spy-cicle💥 ^Talk? 14:47, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 05:43, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Aoba47[edit]

For the image caption, include where the photo was taken for context.
Done, added "Depp at the Deauville American Film Festival in September 2019."

Thank you! Aoba47 (talk) 16:24, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have a question about the following sentence: He has starred in Dark Shadows (2012) with Michelle Pfeiffer, The Lone Ranger (2013) with Armie Hammer, and Transcendence (2014) with Morgan Freeman. Why point out the co-stars for just these three films in particular? It seems rather random and unnecessary to me.
I tried to follow some other filmography leads when making this one and some mention co-stars. Though happy to remove if it is deemed redundant (no specific reason those co-stars are mentioned).

Thank you for the explanation. Upon further reflection and research, the current wording works. When I first read this sentence, I was uncertain about the Dark Shadows part in particular. It makes sense to me to single out a co-star for something like The Lone Ranger, which is very much about these two characters/actors, while I had considered Dark Shadows more of an ensemble work. However, upon further research, most cast listings put Pfeiffer as second billing so the current version actually does match how the film was marketed. Aoba47 (talk) 16:24, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For this sentence, Depp has been described as one of the most versatile and prolific actors of his generation., attribute in the prose who is describing Deep this way as it should be immediately clear to the reader.
I think this was in lead before I rewrote it and looking at the two sources they each describe him as a "versatile" and "prolific" actor but nothing about "most" or "of his generation" so I have removed it.

Thank you for double-checking this and removing it. Aoba47 (talk) 16:24, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have three comments for this sentence: In recent years he has started to produce some films. There should be a comma after years. Do not use words like "recent years" per MOS:CURRENT because that will change as the list ages and it is better to be more specific. I would also replace "some films" with the exact number or reword it to avoid it as that phrasing is unnecessarily vague.
I have changed it to Beginning in 2011, he has produced films through his company Infinitum Nihil.

That is a big improvement. Thank you for that. Aoba47 (talk) 16:24, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a reason why his career decline and setbacks are not addressed at all in this list? For instance, I am surprised nothing about Fantastic Beasts is mentioned in the lead. I would think that it should warrant a sentence about his overall career decline to provide a full context of his filmography/career as I believe this leans a little too positive rather than objective. To be clear, I have a great deal of respect for Depp's work (and sympathy for his current situation), but I think it should worked out somehow.
There was an extensive discussion/RfC on the main article [4] about whether it is worth mentioning his career setbacks (currently no mention in the lead), and if so how should it be worded. Whilst writing the list I held off to see if it was resolved so something simliar can be added here but no action has been taken there. Personally though, I am happy to mention his setbacks here like being removed from Fantastic Beasts and Pirates of the Caribean, so I'll try to work on wording.

Thank you for the link. I was unaware that this discussion had taken place. Apologies for not checking that before making my above comment. Just to be clear, I was not referring to any issues in his personal life, although that is probably inextricably linked to his professional decline. I think the Fantastic Beasts part is worth a mention, but I was not aware that his Pirates of the Caribbean was official as I have only heard rumors about it. I will leave this to your better judgement as it is a sticky situation that is still evolving, and this will not hold back my support for the list's promotion. Aoba47 (talk) 16:32, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Since there is an entire section devoted to his work in documentary film, I would think that would warrant at least a sentence in the lead.
Added Moreover, Depp has appeared in many documentary films, mostly as himself.

Thank you! Aoba47 (talk) 16:32, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You did a great job with the lead. I would imagine that a filmography list for such a well-known actor who has had such a long career is difficult to do. When all of my comments are addressed, I will be more than happy to support this for promotion. If possible, I would greatly appreciate any feedback on my current FAC. Have a great rest of your week! Aoba47 (talk) 02:56, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much @Aoba47: for the comments (it was a tad tricky writing hope it is not too long though), I have responded above. I am not too famliar with writing TV articles (did come across your Lady Blue FA though when rewrote this list) but I'll try to see if can write some comments anyway. Regards Spy-cicle💥 ^Talk? 11:43, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the responses. I hope that my comments back were not too long. I do have a tendency to ramble. I support the list for promotion. I can better understand the trickiness about discussing the current state of Depp's career so it may be best to leave that to his main article, but I will leave that up to your judgement. I did enjoy reading through this list as it did make me want to go back and rewatch some of his films. Aoba47 (talk) 16:32, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from HAL[edit]

He has starred --> "He starred"
Done
Could you place the scope on the titles rather than the year?
To my knowledge I do not believe using scope rows on the year as opposed to the film title causes issues in terms of accessability for the table. And it seems many other FL filmographies do it this way as well, though I can happy to check with a more experienced editor than myself about it. Regards Spy-cicle💥 ^Talk? 00:03, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In the lede, should the (year) be placed directly after the film title?
Changed
For each of his roles --> "For each role" or "For each performance"
Changed to the latter

That's all I got. Nice work. ~ HAL333 21:42, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@HAL333: Thank you for the comments I have responded and replied above. Regards Spy-cicle💥 ^Talk? 00:03, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support ~ HAL333 00:18, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sources are fine, but there's some date format mixing; I've gone and converted them all to US format since that was the primary. Also formatted isbns. Closing as promoted. --Pres N 22:09, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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