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The list was promoted by SchroCat 20:38, 1 March 2015 [1].

Kangana Ranaut, roles and awards[edit]

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Nominator(s): KRIMUK90 ✉ 05:49, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

After successful taking Kangana Ranaut's article to FA-status, I am nominating a well-written and well-sourced listing of all her film roles and awards. As with my previous nominations, I look forward to lots of constructive comments. KRIMUK90 ✉ 05:49, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from FrB.TG

It's a good list but some minor points

  • "three upcoming projects": I wouldn't include I Love New Year as an upcoming one as it has been shelved. Also, is it important to mention "upcoming projects"?
Changed to yet-to-be-released.
  • "highly successful" sounds like puffery. Instead you can mention the thing that makes Krrish 3 "highly successful".
Tweaked.
  • The Star Guild Awards were known as Apsara when she was awarded for Fashion, so I suggest: "Previously known as Apsara" => "Also known as Apsara".
The footnote already mentions that.
Done. Thanks for the comments FrB. :) -- KRIMUK90 ✉ 11:05, 7 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support — FrankBoy (Buzz) 11:12, 7 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. :) -- KRIMUK90 ✉ 11:12, 7 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 13:59, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments Looks good overall. These are my edits, please revert if you don't agree with any of them.
  • Might be worth saying that Ranaut "has appeared in 29 Bollywood films as of 2015" (or some other similar construction). {{As of|2015|lc=y}} is good for this.
Added.
  • "Appreciated" doesn't seem like the right word to me. How about "lauded", which is what the original source uses?
Changed.
I've removed the wikilink.
  • If you sort the actress table by year, I Love New Year jumps right to the top. I'd suggest using something like {{Sort|2016|TBA}} to keep it at the bottom.
Done.
  • Using the Cite news template for citation 61 puts it in the unfortunate position of having a second terminal punctuation mark for GR8!. It might be best just to ditch the template and use <ref>[http://www.gr8mag.com/posts.php?id=1884 "4th GR8! Women Awards 2014, Middle East"]. ''GR8!'' Retrieved 4 February 2015.</ref> instead.

A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 17:59, 7 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Changed.
@A Thousand Doors: Thank you for the comments! From your edits, I have made one change, per my edit summary. :) -- KRIMUK90 ✉ 02:35, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • The biggest sticking point for me is the article's title. There was a lot of heated discussion last year about whether or not titles of this format were appropriate or grammatical, and the discussion eventually closed with no consensus either way. Personally, I couldn't support an article with this title becoming a FL. WP:TITLEFORMAT specifically states not to use titles "suggesting that one article forms part of another", giving examples such as "Azerbaijan/Transport" or "Azerbaijan (transport)". Although it doesn't specifically mention it, the spirit of what it's saying suggests to me that "Azerbaijan, transport" would not be appropriate either. Would you be willing to move the article to a different location?
As was shown numerous times in the discussion, this is more about the ignorance of some over the use of a comma. "Kangana Ranaut, roles and awards" is entirely correct, and it's rather underhand to threaten nominators by withholding your support on the basis of something that is perfectly adequate. - SchroCat (talk) 13:41, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I followed the format based on two FLs: Ralph Richardson, roles and awards and John Gielgud, roles and awards. I don't have a personal preference here and am open to suggestions.
There were a few that were suggested during the discussion. "List of roles and awards of Kangana Ranaut", "Roles and awards of Kangana Ranaut" or "Career history of Kangana Ranaut" would all be names that I would be happy to support. Personally, I reckon a good rule of thumb is to think about what the opening line of the TFL blurb for this list would be, then reverse engineer the title from that. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 13:59, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Changed to "Roles and awards of Kangana Ranaut".
  • Comprehensiveness seems good. The only question I had after reading the article was about the box office flops that are briefly mentioned. Which films were they? Is there any reason in particular why they didn't succeed?
They were a series of films in which she briefly played the romantic interest to male protagonists. In her biography, these are mentioned in greater detail, and how she signed them due to a lack of good offers.
Sounds interesting. Any way that this could be included in the prose? In your final paragraph is getting too large, you could probably get away with splitting it just before the sentence about Krrish 3. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 13:59, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Added info. Though I haven't split the final paragraph, as it looks better this way IMO.
  • If she received her "Best Actress (Popular Choice)" Screen Award for both Krrish 3 and Shootout at Wadala in equal measures (which the source seems to suggest) it seems odd to have just Krrish 3 in the Film column, and Shootout at Wadala shunted away in the Category column in a tiny font.
I didn't want to repeat the nomination for both films, because she received just one nom for both of them, though I'd be open to other options.
Repeating the nominations would certainly be a bad idea, but, personally, I'd have something like, say, "Krrish 3 / Shootout at Wadala" in the film column, perhaps with an inline citation to a footnote explaining that the nomination was for her roles in both films. But it's up to you. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 13:59, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Changed, with a footnote. Thanks for the suggestion. :)
  • Not really a FL requirement, but it might be worth considering adding some archive URLs to your online refs, just in case they ever go dead. WebCite and The Internet Archive are probably the best for this. It's not obligatory though. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 13:59, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@A Thousand Doors: All done, though I haven't archived the urls yet. I'll probably do that sometime later. Cheers! -- KRIMUK90 ✉ 14:30, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support No other outstanding issues that I can see. I've made a few final edits here; please revert if you don't agree with any of them. One last thing that I would note though is that the Role column sorts all the characters by their surnames. From what I can tell, it seems to be customary on Wikipedia to refer to fictional characters by their first names rather than their surnames (maybe for WP:WAF reasons, or something). WP:FA#Media and WP:WikiProject Fictional characters/Quality content both list fictional characters by their first names. It might be worth resorting that list in the same way. Great work! A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 18:19, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Actually, in all the actor/actress FLs, the character names have been sorted by their last names. Also, during my first few FLCs, I was asked by various editors to sort them by the last name. -- KRIMUK90 ✉ 01:51, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, sorting by last name is common practice. - SchroCat (talk) 13:42, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Excellent work, once again!
--Birdienest81 (talk) 09:58, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. :) -- KRIMUK90 ✉ 11:46, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]


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