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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by User:The Rambling Man 10:09, 5 July 2008 [1].

Linkin Park discography[edit]

I've been working on this article for a while now. --Linkins Parkl (talk) 17:15, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • Remove the bold formatting from the lead if you are going to include a link in it, per WP:BOLDTITLE.
  • The reference accessdates should not be linked like however it is done here, because they are showing up as just a bunch of red links; please take a look at Template:Cite web for the template's documentation.
  • Formatting is completely askew in some areas; for instance, "U.S.:Diamond" needs a space (and I think you can just use US to refer to the United States, without the periods)
  • "UK:4x platinum" also needs a space
  • You have "platinum" and "gold" as lowercase but "Diamond" as uppercase?
  • I'm not too familiar with Discography standards, but I fear that list is not meeting a few of them.

Gary King (talk) 18:28, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • As another editor has pointed out, this is likely a re-incarnation of another editor which was blocked indefinitely quite recently. They had similar trends in the context that they too provided premature nominations for consideration at FLC/FAC. I don't know what the next step from here will be (i.e. closure of nomination, etc.) so I leave that up for the more experienced in this particular process. Rudget (logs) 18:57, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'll "take over" the nomination, and see what further comments I could possibly resolve. Since Linkin Park is one of my favorite bands, I'm sure I could be of assistance here. « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 19:03, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • If you wish. I am sure you are more than capable. :) Rudget (logs) 19:05, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It'll be a shame if the sock is to get credit for it on the WP:WBFLN, though. indopug (talk) 19:29, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, yes it would, haha... Gary King (talk) 19:32, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My comments:

  • Remove "Song appearances in media"
  • Music videos needs to be reliable cited.
Moved the Videography section to the page Linkin Park videography. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 10:31, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Film album" should be changed to "Videos"
Moved the Videography section to the page Linkin Park videography. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 10:31, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Demo should not be piped.
What do you mean
  • "Hybrid Theory EP" is actually "Hybrid Theory". This is backed up by AllMusic and the album artwork.
The band has this as a album on their official homepage. Allmusic is wrong.

Good luck with this Milk's Favorite Cookie. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 15:28, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, for now. Great start, but I have too may suggestions and complaints to support at the moment. Not quite ready to support just yet, but the list is definitely not oppose-worthy at the moment. Drewcifer (talk) 04:13, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved stuff from Drewcifer
  • The chart columns are a little out-of-whack. They should be home country first (check), then with the option of list all other countries in alphabetical order, or listing all english-speaking countries first then all other countries in alphabetical. It appears you've taken the latter route, but that still means the English-speaking countries should be in alphabetical order (ie Australia, New Zealand, UK).
  • I recommend changing U.S. to US, not because it's wrong (both are right), but because the periods are inconsistent with the other abbreviations (which don't have periods).
  • Linkin Park is an American band, so American-style dates (Month DD, YYYY) should be used.
  • Please include a # in catalog numbers to make it clearer.
  • Consider bolding the album titles in the tables. And at least be consistent (Xero is bolded the others aren't).
  • The EPs section should be spelled out to Extended plays.
  • How does one define an "Underground album"? Needs to be explained. See this for an example of explaining an odd/unique section.
Something else i should fix. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 10:34, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Drewcifer (talk) 02:20, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Citations for certifications should be dispersed into the individual cells. Having six citations in the header is very vague.
    And they should be taken out of the header as well. So we only need them in the individual cells, but not the header.
  • More certifications stuff: 3× not 3x. Platinum should be capitalized. Multi-platinum certifications should have a non-breaking space between the words. so either do {{nowrap|3× Platinum}} or 3× Platinum. Include a link to List of music recording sales certifications in the column header (take a look at Nine Inch Nails discography or The Prodigy discography to see an example of what I mean.
    Please take another look at this one, specifically the examples I provided. Drewcifer (talk) 12:37, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Xero doesn't link to anything important.
Should i remove it.
No, just unlink it. Drewcifer (talk) 06:39, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Underground albums names all link to the same page. I'd just leave the one link in the explanation, and leave the individual names in the table unlinked.
  • I'm not sure "It's Goin' Down" should be included. It includes two members of Linkin Park, but not Linkin Park themselves.
  • Some external links are needed.
  • The third paragraph of the lead could go. It doesn't really say mucha bout their discography, and is a little POV-ish. Drewcifer (talk) 13:07, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The citations need alot of work format-wise. I'd recommend using citation templates throughout. Many feature redlinks, and #18 is just broken.
    Also concerning citation formatting, publishers like RIAA/ARIA/etc, should be spelled out and wikilinked.
  • All of the text needs a thorough copy edit. There's poor grammar and misspellings throughout.
  • What makes this a reliable source?
New source Allmusicguide. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 08:17, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Drewcifer (talk) 06:39, 28 June 2008 (UTC) Looking much better. Two more things I've noticed: the labels are over-linked. They only need to be linked the first time they are mentioned. Also, similar columns between tables should be kept to a similar width. Drewcifer (talk) 15:02, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't get that last one. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 22:50, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I'd recommend putting an   between the country and its corresponding certification. Drewcifer (talk) 02:26, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The column widths are still inconsistent. The coding for this should be done in the header section of the table. Something along these lines: {|class="wikitable" !rowspan="2" width="33"|Year !rowspan="2" with="200"|Title !colspan="17"|Peak chart positions !rowspan="2" width="100"|[[List of music recording sales certifications|Certifications]]<br><small>([[List of music recording sales certifications|sales thresholds]])</small> |-

And then make sure similar tables use the same width. Those widths are just guestimations though, you'll have to play around with what looks best. Also, you dont need to do the chart column, since that's defined by the number of charts. Also, I noticed that there's no general references citing the discography as a whole. Using Linkin Park's Allmusic discog page would be a good idea. Check out the references seciton of The Prodigy discography for an example of a general references section. Drewcifer (talk) 04:13, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

comments

  • "This is a comprehensive discography of Linkin Park," Yuck. "The discography of Linkin Park consists of three studio albums, nine-teen singles, four EP, one Demo and two remix and collaboration albums. Linkin Park are an alternative metal band from Agoura Hills, California. Their discography does not include solo material performed by Mike Shinoda's side project Fort Minor or Chester Bennington's side project Dead By Sunrise." Wikilink where necessary
  • "a Agoura Hills, California based alternative metal band." An Agoura Hills.
  • Mike Shinodas and Chester Benningtons need apostrophies.
  • Who are these two guys? You need to say who the band are, which if you follow my suggestion for an introduction, would go after the Agoura Hills sentence, and before the "Their discog does not include..."
  • "the band has sold more than fifty million albums and won two Grammy Awards and nominated two times." too many ands
  • "Billboars 200" typo and needs wikilinking
  • Wikilink to Billboard Charts
  • Collision Course needs itallicising
  • "second grammy award and the album was certified platinum in the U.S. and the hit single "Numb/Encore" was certified gold in the U.S." Numerous proper name casing issues
  • "Linkin Park is also known for their Underground albums which is only available if you are a member of the Linkin Park Underground." second person tone. Wrong tense. Who knows them for this?
  • The Peak chart position countries header isn't unified. Some use superscript while others do not
What do you mean? --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 10:47, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The code for Finland is: !style="width:2em;font-size:80%"|<small>[[Finland|FIN]]<small> <ref name="Finland">{{cite web | url=http://finnishcharts.com/search.asp?cat=a&search=Linkin+Park | title=Finnish Album Chart | publisher=finnishcharts.com | accessdate=2008-06-24 }}</ref>
The code for Flanders is: !style="width:2em;font-size:80%"|<small>[[Flanders|FLA]]<small> <ref name="Belgia FLA">{{cite web | url=http://www.ultratop.be/en/search.asp?cat=a&lang=fr&search=Linkin+Park | title=Flanders Album Chart | publisher=ultratop.be | accessdate=2008-06-24 }}</ref>
Yet the code for France and Germany is: !style="width:2em;font-size:80%"|<sup>[[France|FRA]]</sup> <ref name="Frankrike">{{cite web | url=http://lescharts.com/search.asp?cat=a&search=Linkin+Park | title=French Album Chart | publisher=lescharts.com | accessdate=2008-06-24 }}</ref> !style="width:2em;font-size:80%"|<sup>[[Germany|GER]]</sup> <ref name="Tyskland">{{cite web | url=http://www.charts-surfer.de/musiksearch.php | title=German Album Chart | publisher=Charts-Surfer | accessdate=2008-06-24 }}</ref>
Some county code names are in superscript, but others are not Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 06:45, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • What format is CS? CD, CS and LP all need wikilinking. Don't we usually use "CD, cassette, vinyl"?
  • Xero needs a reference
  • What the heck is an "underground album"? Are these unofficial releases? Bootlegs? MOS:DISCOG, while in its infancy and proposal stage says "no thanks".
  • Refs for DVDs please
Moved the videography section to Linkin Park videography. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 10:41, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I wouldn't be unhappy to see the music videos gone. A music video is an extension of a single, used to promote. They should be mentioned there and that's it. It's like a radio-friendly version of a single release that the company provides to radio stations. We don't list those. Unless any of the music videos do not coincide with a single release, I say get rid. If not, "Given Up" needs a director.
  • "Song appearances in media" -- Change to "Soundtrack/compilation appearances", and only include anything that was on an actual release, not what was used as background music on CSI. Note that MOS:DISCOG says only list original releases, so anything already found on a Linkin Park album shouldn't be listed here.
It's Gone --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 10:41, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good luck taking this over. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 04:34, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Working on it.... « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 02:10, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose: Discographies on Wikipedia are not comprehensive unless music videos, video albums etc are included. See any other featured discography. I see absolutely no reason—other than perhaps to evade opposes for uncited music directors—why they should be branched off to a separate videography article. indopug (talk) 18:39, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose: Per above. This has been a growing problem amongst noms and I think a stand has to be taken. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 16:42, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
In all fairness to the nominator, this is something that is currently still be discussed at the WP:DISCOG talk page. I don't aim to negate your oppose votes, but I would like to point everyone to the larger discussion. Drewcifer (talk) 20:11, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I can see both advantages and disadvantages in moving the video albums and stuff to a videography in some lists, but not this one because it doesn't make the size of the list offensively large. I did comment that music videos should be removed if they match up with a released single and only list music vids which didn't come with a released single, but I appear to be in the minority with this suggestion! So I'll sit on the fence and go neutral. :-/ Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 07:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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