Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of ATP number 1 ranked players/archive1

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The list was not promoted by Matthewedwards 06:02, 31 July 2009 [1].

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List of ATP number 1 ranked players

Nominator(s): 03md 10:03, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

• Featured list candidates/List of ATP number 1 ranked players/archive1

I am nominating this for featured list because it has undergone a peer review and I feel that, with a few improvements, it could be promoted to FL. Thanks. 03md 10:03, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Comment Oppose

Resolved comments from Chrishomingtang

Because this table is sortable you need to link the names/countries every instance (that means country names have to appear in every row, also) Linked all the countries in the table Need a key section above the table to explain color/symbol Done Only need to color the name Done Boldface shouldn't be used as an indicator (see WP:MOSBOLD) Removed bolding —Chris! ct 18:27, 13 July 2009 (UTC) I have responded to all the queries. 03md 10:24, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I changed my !vote to oppose because of the citation need tag. Also, one image is missing caption.—Chris! _ct 01:22, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

• Comment Check the toolbox, there is a dab link and a couple of dead links. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:28, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

*For future reference, don't use wikilinks in alt text. Also, avoid referring to a person by name since a person who can't see wouldn't be able to verify this or draw any conclusions from the name. For example, in this article, instead of "Tennis player Pete Sampras holds...", you would use "A tennis player holds..." (I already fixed this, but keep in mind for future reference) "has changed several times over the years." Changed "Currently it is calculated by totalling the points from the 13 mandatory tennis events (4 Grand Slams and 9 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 tournaments) and the player's best five results from all eligible ATP World Tour 500 series tournaments. " Comma after "Currently" and remove "all". Done "Tennis Masters Cup" Link? Done "can add the points won there."-->can include points won there. Done "Since the Association of Tennis Professionals began producing computerized rankings in 1973" I think "using" is better than "producing". Changed "Pete Sampras holds the record for most weeks (286) as top ranked male player while Roger Federer holds the record for the most consecutive weeks (237) as the top-ranked male or female player." For the first phrase, you only tell us the record for men, while in the second, you tell us the record for men and women. Why the inconsistency? Changed "Only two players have reached the World Number 1 ranking without having won a Grand Slam tournament." Done "Czech player Ivan Lendl achieved the feat in February 1983, not winning his first Grand Slam until the 1984 French Open[4] having lost out in the 1981 final. " Trivial info. Removed the trivia "youngest ever number one" Done "He also won the Wimbledon singles title in 2002." Not important. Removed "Jimmy Connors holds the male record for longest period of time between first attaining the #1 ranking and last holding it: 8 years and 11 months between July 29, 1974 and July 3, 1983." Not sure what this referring to. Is "male" necessary? After all, this is the ATP, so what else could we be referring to? Changed "Marcelo Rios"-->Marcelo Ríos Done "Ilie Nastase"-->Ilie Năstase Done "As of July 20, 2009." But today is July 18! Also, no period at the end, and this should probably be moved up above the table. "during the calendar year." "calendar", as opposed to what? Changed

Oppose from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs) Glad to see a tennis list over here, but issues need to be worked out.

• "The Number 1 ranked player" In the article's title, you use a lowercase "number". Then it's "World Number 1". Later on in the article, I see "Number-1". Any reason for the inconsistencies?
  • Made consistent as "number 1". Please let me know if I have missed any.
• "He won his first Grand Slam title at the 2001 U.S. Open and won the Masters Cup at the end of the year and replaced Gustavo Kuerten at the top of the rankings."-->He won his first Grand Slam title at the 2001 U.S. Open and won the Masters Cup at the end of the year, replacing Gustavo Kuerten at the top of the rankings. what date did he reach the top?
• "Andre Agassi, in contrast, is the oldest ever number one, " "in contrast" is unnecessary, remove "ever".

Dabomb87 (talk) 20:10, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Sources

• What makes http://www.all-about-tennis.com/jimmy-connors.html reliable?
• Likewise http://www.tennistours.com/event_pages/nasdaq100/history.asp?
  • These are probably not reliable - removed
• Ref 2 and 13, the publishers should not be in italics.
  • Done
• Ref 6, add "The" to "Washington Post" and newspaper names should be in italics.
  • Dabomb87 (talk) 20:10, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

• • • Do I need to add some more references now? Thanks for all your comments. 03md 11:20, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Truco

Comment -- My review was basically what Dabomb has pointed out above, many issues need to be resolved. Once his review is resolved please contact me so I may give this a second review =]--Truco 503 01:51, 19 July 2009 (UTC) Comments from Truco (talk · contribs) Lead The Number 1 ranked player is the player who over the immediate cumulative past 52 weeks has gathered the most ATP Rankings points. -- 1)The title has it as number 1, here its capitalized as Number 1 -> be consistent 2)I see no need for the past Changed; removed "past" The method of calculating a player's Ranking points has changed several times. -- Is it proper and/or necessary to have Ranking capitalized? Removed capitalisation on "ranking" Czech player Ivan Lendl achieved the feat in February 1983, not winning his first Grand Slam until the 1984 French Open -- A period is needed Done Lleyton Hewitt holds the record for being the youngest number one, reaching the top ranking when 20 years, 268 days old. -- Again with the consistency (number one/Number 1/number 1) Changed . Andre Agassi is the oldest number one, holding the top spot when 33 years, 4 months, 9 days old (on September 7, 2003). 1)Consistency again with the number one. 2)Remove the period at the very beginning, its an extra one. Changed for consistency; removed period Number 1 ranked players Is the (record) needed in 237 (record) under Federer's entry? ATP #1 Roger Federer, #2 Rafael Nadal, #3 Andy Murray, and #4 Novak Djokovic all currently do not plan on participating in any ATP or ITF tournaments prior to the 2009 US Open except the Canada Masters and Cincinnati Masters. -- What is ATP #1 suppose to mean? Does it mean ATP #1 ranked player? Also, comma before except. I recommend having this be a footnote instead, with the use of templates or the method use for footnotes. What about this?--Truco 503 02:37, 20 July 2009 (UTC) Done Why does the note under the table say As of July 20, 2009.? Removed Images The Carlos Moya image should have the period removed from its caption, its not a sentence. Done Year-en Number 1 I recommend making this key just like it is in the Weeks at the number 1 key. Do you mean take out both the table and infobox under "Year end Number 1" and adding symbols to "Weeks at number 1" table? I see no purpose of explaining in the prose the way the key works when the key basically does the same thing, its redundant. Removed redundant sentences.--Truco 503 22:05, 19 July 2009 (UTC) No I mean convert the key to make it look like the key used in the Weeks at number 1 table. Done --Truco 503 02:37, 20 July 2009 (UTC) Dabs and external links check out fine.--Truco 503 22:13, 19 July 2009 (UTC) Thanks for your review - I have addressed nearly everything apart from one query that I have noted. 03md 22:53, 19 July 2009 (UTC) My question now is why is the table with the summary of year-ends floating all the way to the right?--Truco 503 18:31, 21 July 2009 (UTC) I didn't create the extra table. It was made as an infobox by a previous editor so naturally floats to the right. I can change this. Done, but how do I sort the problem over the tables positioning? They have moved down the page now I have addded images. 03md 09:14, 22 July 2009 (UTC) Hmm, have you tried using a different way to create columns? Because the column templates you are using are creating a breakspace between the content and the images, so you may need a different system that allows you to set specific column widths.--Truco 503 20:43, 22 July 2009 (UTC) Something is going to have to be done about that problem, its very unappealing.--Truco 503 16:05, 25 July 2009 (UTC) Fixed the problem. 03md 00:32, 28 July 2009 (UTC) Awesome.--Truco 503 19:04, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

• Support - Previous issues resolved/clarified; list now meets WP:WIAFL.--Truco ₅₀₃ 19:04, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (17–14) 22:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Comments – "Currently, it is calculated by totalling the points from the 13 mandatory tennis events...". The use of "tennis" is quite redundant here. What other sports would they be playing? Done "Players who qualify for the year-end Tennis Masters Cup can include points won there." The sentence makes it sound optional, when the source indicates otherwise. Clarified sentence There's no need for two ATP links in the lead. Anyone interested will have already clicked on the first link. Removed wikilink "reaching the top ranking when 20 years, 268 days old." It doesn't read that well. Try "reaching the top ranking at the age of 20 years, 268 days" or similar. Another sentence later needs a similar fix. Done The Agassi sentence at the end of the lead could use a similar edit to this one. Giants2008 (17–14) 15:35, 28 July 2009 (UTC) Done Could link the 2001 U.S. Open. and that year's Tennis Masters Cup. Done Weeks at number 1: "with Roger Federer leading the way on 237 weeks." This type of sentence has an awkward structure; the best way to fix it is to have a semi-colon lead into it, followed by "Roger Federer leads the way...". Done A few cites are needed for facts in the captions. Borg's 11 Grand Slams, Safin and Safina's family ties, and Rios being the only No. 1 without a Grand Slam all could use references. All referenced - let me know about any other things that need cites. A couple of formatting tweaks are needed for the new cites. The spacing is incorrect for the Borg ref; move it back to only have a space afterward. Also, reference 11 goes to Yahoo! Sports, not ESPN. Giants2008 (17–14) 15:35, 28 July 2009 (UTC) Fixed the links and spacing I see "number 1" and "Number 1" in various spots. Please make it consistent throughout. There's also "U.S. Open" in the lead and "US Open" in a note. Done Images by the side of the tables need alt text. Giants2008 (17–14) 22:21, 22 July 2009 (UTC) Done All complete 03md 19:00, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose
  • "... is the player who over the immediate cumulative 52 weeks has gathered ..." -> " ... is the player, who over the immediate cumulative 52 weeks, has gathered ..."
    • Done
  • "It is calculated by totalling..." timeframe (i.e. As of ...) since you've said it's changed a few times.
    • Done
  • "Players who qualify for the year-end Tennis Masters Cup include points won there." - no, the player's don't include points, their ranking includes the points.
    • Done
  • "Since the Association of Tennis Professionals..." already abbreviated it so use ATP here.
    • Done
  • "computerized rankings" - what happened before then? Non-computerized? It's unclear from this sentence. I guess they've always been computerized based on the table, so perhaps introduce that concept a little earlier on in the lead.
    • Reworded the sentence and added "computerized" earlier in lead section
  • "20 years, 268 days." vs "33 years, 4 months, 9 days old" - consistent age format please.
    • Made the date format consistent
  • Not clear (to me) what "Position in historical rankings" means.
    • I'm not quite sure how to explain. I basically mean that Ilie Nastase was the first unique number 1, therefore is (1), while Nadal was the 24th different player since the beginning of the ranking system (24).
  • "top rank" or "top-rank"
    • I have left all cases as "top rank" (without dash) - I'm not quite sure.
  • The very last table (I think) is not required. That information is already in the preceding table.
    • Removed unnecessary table
  • Note A is unreferenced. It makes a number of claims so cites please.
    • Referenced Nadal's inactivity.
  • Although not mandated, I see it as preferable to have reference date formats in the same style as the article date formats, so mdy. Right now your refs use dmy.
    • Done, I think. 03md 22:32, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
• The Rambling Man (talk) 17:05, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Comment Is there any reason this is "number 1" rather than "number-one"? Dabomb87 (talk) 22:36, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

• • I was following the format of the article's title. 03md 15:05, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
• Comment Couldn't the somewhat intrusive and big "Country" row in the first table just be the flag? If they're all coded the same the sorting should work, though I guess they might not be alphabetical. I dunno, it just seems like a very awkward table where you see country name before the athlete from that country. Staxringold _talk^contribs 03:01, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
  • I will wait for the views of other editors before changing it. 03md 15:05, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
    • I sort of agree with User:Staxringold. What about using the abbrevations instead of the full names (ROU instead of Romania) ? --Don Lope (talk) 21:47, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose from Don Lope (talk · contribs)

Resolved comments from Don Lope

• "The ATP ranking is" → should be "The ATP Rankings are".

• Changed

• "the ranking of men's tennis players" → isn't "men's tennis players" incorrect ? It should probably be "the ranking in men's tennis".

• Done

• Same paragraph, both "top ranked" and "top-ranked" are used.

• Made consistent

• It's probably not necessary to say "male record" if the intro already says we're dealing with men's tennis.

• Removed "male"

• "Feat" doesn't seem to be the right term to talk about Lendl/Rios reaching No. 1 w/o any Grand Slam.

• Reworded

• Is it necessary to mention what finals Rios lost ? It would probably be more interesting to say he remains the only Grand Slam-less No. 1.

• Removed bit about titles and added suggested sentence

• I understand what you mean with "Position in the historical rankings" but I believe it's too confusing to be kept in that way.
• The order of accession to the No. 1 ranking could also be used in the table. What do you think about something like this ? (note that I'm not entirely convinced by my own proposal here):

• That was what I meant by "Position in historical ranking"

#	Country	Player	Start date	End date	Number of weeks	Accumulated total
1	ROU	Ilie Năstase	August 23, 1973	June 2, 1974	40	40
2	AUS	John Newcombe	June 3, 1974	July 28, 1974	8	8
3	USA	Jimmy Connors	July 29, 1974	August 22, 1977	160	160
4	SWE	Björn Borg	August 23, 1977	August 29, 1977	1	1
	USA	Jimmy Connors	August 30, 1977	April 8, 1979	84	244
	SWE	Björn Borg	April 9, 1979	May 20, 1979	6	7
	USA	Jimmy Connors	May 21, 1979	July 8, 1979	7	251
	SWE	Björn Borg	July 9, 1979	March 2, 1980	34	41
5	USA	John McEnroe	March 3, 1980	March 23, 1980	3	3

• I like the proposal but having already altered the table several times it would be great if you could complete the proposed table and put it into the article

• The "As of July 27, 2009" note is in italics and with a bullet over the first table, and not in italics and without a bullet over the "Weeks at number 1" table. There should be only one format.

• Made the format consistent

• The green color in the "Weeks at number 1" tables is a bit too aggressive, I think. Why not take the same blue used in the other tables to denote active streaks ?

• Changed to a slightly lighter tone; changed pink to blue for consistency

• I might have missed something in the review but why did you remove the symbols in the "Weeks at number 1" tables ?

• What symbols were there before - I think someone else must have done it

• "although it has always been computerized." → Perhaps it's just me but that bit seems awkward here. Perhaps the mention of computerized rankings (vs. non-computerized rankings) should come in the first paragraph.

• Moved sentence - hope it's ok

• The whole second paragraph describes the way rankings were calculated in 2008, not 2009. And the "Tennis Masters Cup" is now called "ATP World Tour Finals".

• Done I think

• "Since the ATP began a ranking system for the first time in August 1973". The precise date of the rankings' inception could be mentioned. I think all the text about the rankings' history should come earlier, maybe in the first paragraph, with a bit about how rankings were made before the ATP computerized system, and a link to the World number one male tennis player rankings article.

• Done

• "He won his first Grand Slam title at the 2001 US Open and won the Masters Cup at the end of the year, replacing Gustavo Kuerten at the top of the rankings on 27 November 2001." → Is it necessary to mention the highlights of Hewitt's 2001 season in this article ?

• Removed

• User:The Rambling Man mentioned in the List of Wimbledon Gentlemen's Singles champions's review that there might be a guideline against using flags w/o country names. You should use the Flagathlete template, as well as the Sortname one ({{flagathlete|{{sortname|Pete|Sampras}}|USA}} → Pete Sampras (USA)).
• "Pete Sampras holds the record for the total number of weeks at number 1 with 286 weeks, indicated in the table on the left. The table on the right shows the figures for the most consecutive weeks that players have spent on top of the world rankings; Roger Federer leads the way on 237 weeks." → Is it necessary to repeat records that are already in the list's lead, in the first table, in the "Weeks at number 1" tables, and in the captions ? (it's a genuine question, not sarcasm)

• I have trimmed the section to leave only the important points which aren't already covered.

--Don Lope (talk) 21:47, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks for all your comments Don Lope. I have answered most of them and raised a couple of points. 03md 13:59, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I've put the resolved comments under a header to make room on the page. I'll come back later with answers to your points, and further comments. --Don Lope (talk) 14:48, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

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