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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted 17:40, 21 May 2008.

List of Atlanta Falcons head coaches[edit]

Self-nomination Nicely done list. Well referenced, and includes a lead, and a history section summarizing some of the "major" coaches in the Atlanta Falcons Thanks, Milk’s Favorite Cookie (Talk) 21:16, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs)
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  • Support Looks good, all my concerns have been addressed. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @ 01:25, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Weak oppose I'd like to see a template or a category that groups all of these NFL head coaches lists to make it easier to navigate. Also, I'd like you to list division, conference, or Super Bowl titles that those coaches won. These two comments apply to all similar lists.--Crzycheetah 20:08, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have not seen any replies to my comments, so I am opposing for now.--Crzycheetah 01:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • You could have replied here instead. A template should be added, though, even if there are red links. Red links give other editors an idea on how to contribute to related pages. Plus, you said there are 15 similar lists created already, so where are they? How can I see them?--Crzycheetah 02:30, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from The Rambling Man (talk · contribs)
  • Try to avoid repeating the title of the article in the lead opening sentence. Read the discussion at WT:FLC ongoing as we speak to avoid others opposing based on this.
  • You use NFC and then the expanded version followed by (NFC). Switch it round.
  • Numerical record needs en-dash to separate the numbers.
  • "Wade Phillips holds the best coaching record"- perhaps statistically but I would have thought a Superbowl appearance was better than just two wins from three games coached?
  • " Jim Hanifan, who won no games" again, statistically the worst but only coached four games!
  • "who won no games" - who coached the team to no wins?
  • "...last reached the playoffs under in 2004 under..." - one too many under's.
  • "for former star quarterback" - POV.
  • "The Falcons would later sign current coach Mike Smith at the end of the 2007 season." - weird tense issue here. Make it consistent with the rest of the lead.
  • "There have only been four coaches to lead the Falcons into the playoffs including Leeman Bennett, Jerry Glanville, Dan Reeves and Jim L. Mora." - including? You mean something more like Only four coaches have led the Falcons to the playoffs– a, b, c and d.
  • "...but did not finish the season, leaving after Week 14." - "...did not end the season as head coach, leaving after Week 14."
  • No need for the spaces between W, en dash and L, nor between year, en dash, year in the table.
  • Was Mike Smith announced as coach in 2007 or 2008 (as his article states...)? And his appointment needs to be referenced.
  • Not 100% relevant here but modify the Falcons template to link to here from Head Coaches...

So, oppose for now, simple MOS failures, POV, and some oddly biased assertions need to be dealt with before I can support. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:16, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I think I got everything. « Milk's Favorite Cookie ( talk / contribs) 18:58, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from RC-0722 (talk · contribs)

*"Norb Hecker, however, who coached thirty games just won four." If he doesn't hold the record for the worst record, then why state is name in the lead?

Other than that, I find nothing wrong with the list, so I say Weak Support. RC-0722 247.5/1 19:57, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments Pretty good overall, but there are a couple issues. First, The worst record by any coach is that of Jim Hanifan, who won no games. sounds POVish. The Falcons are yet to win a Super Bowl. seems like it could be worded better. Also, since the references section has a note in it, wouldn't it be better called "References and notes"? Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 16:12, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Moderate support I copyedited it slightly to fix some grammar and MoS mistakes, but for the most part it's good enough to get my support. The lead could be copyedited more, though. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 16:34, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment- "After Mora left the team in 2006, the Falcons hired Bobby Petrino who coached for only one year, during which the Bad Newz Kennels dog fighting investigation was under way which ultimately resulted in a prison term for former quarterback Michael Vick, and to Petrino's resignation." First, I do not think information about Michael Vick should be in a list about head coaches. Second, the way its written makes it sound like a direct coorelation between that incident and Petrino's resignation. I don't believe that is true, but what do I know. If it is true, it needs citing. Plus, that sentence is really long. If not, it needs to be removed. -PGPirate 13:10, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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