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The list was promoted by Scorpion0422 23:58, 3 February 2009 [1].

List of Atlanta Hawks head coaches[edit]

Been a week since my last active FLC. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 anyone? 02:26, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Truco

Comments from Truco (talk · contribs)

  • The team began playing in 1946 as a charter member of the National Basketball League (NBL), and joined the NBA as part of the NBA-NBL merger. - doesn't the NBA-NBL have a link to its merger?
Nope. Only the ABA-NBA merger does. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 anyone? 03:25, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I was gonna say redirect it to a specific section, but there is none available in any of the related articles.--TRUCO 03:39, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Hawks won their first and only NBA championship in 1958, but has never returned to the NBA Finals in 47 years. - since its already elaborated that they have only won their only title in the NBA, reword the second part of the sentence to ", and they have not returned to the NBA Finals since then" or ", and they have not returned to the NBA Finals in 47 years"
Done own rewording. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 anyone? 03:25, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • There have been 26 head coaches for the Hawks franchise. The franchise's first head coach was Roger Potter, who coached for seven games. - repetition of franchise
So? I don't get what you mean here. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 anyone? 03:25, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I mean reword the second franchise to like "team" or "organization", franchise is too repetitive.
Reworded second one to team, though I kind of regret it because on the NHL head coaches article, I use team since WP:HOCKEY split their franchises by name (ie. List of Dallas Stars head coaches). -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 anyone? 03:55, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Red Auerbach, Red Holzman, Hannum and Lenny Wilkens are the only Hawks coaches to have been elected into the Basketball Hall of Fame as a coach. - 1)comma before and 2)So these individuals are the only coaches to have been inducted in the Hall of Fame for their position as "coach" in entire NBA history? That's how this sentence reads
Done first one, but I don't get what you mean on the second. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 anyone? 03:25, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I mean that by the wording, it sounds like the coaches in that sentence are the only coaches in NBA history to be elected into the Hall of Fame as a "coach"--TRUCO 03:39, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It says right on the sentence that, "[they] are the only Hawks coaches to have been elected into the Basketball Hall of Fame as a coach." -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 anyone? 03:55, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Okay calm down sir.--TRUCO 15:40, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Achievements column: 1957–58 NBA champions - should be "NBA Championship (1957-58)"
Both way works. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 anyone? 03:25, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Per consistency with other FL's.--TRUCO 03:39, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it matters, though some of my featured lists also have this wording. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 anyone? 03:55, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
They may have passed before this new format began, because the column reads "achievements", which infers that the individual won a specific achievement, which is not "NBA Champions" but the "NBA Championship"--TRUCO 15:40, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 anyone? 18:34, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think you meant National Basketball Association, so I think I done what you requested. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 anyone? 03:25, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that's what i meant.--TRUCO 03:39, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

--TRUCO 03:10, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 19:23, 24 January 2009 (UTC) [reply]
Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

  • "The Atlanta Hawks are an American professional basketball team based in Atlanta, Georgia. The Hawks play"-->The Atlanta Hawks are an American professional basketball team based in Atlanta, Georgia. They play...
Done. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 anyone? 18:34, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "names since its inception; they were called"-->names since its inception; it was called
Done. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 anyone? 18:34, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The Hawks won their first and only NBA championship"
Done. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 anyone? 18:34, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Alex Hannum is the only head coach to have ever won an NBA championship with the Hawks"
Done. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 anyone? 18:34, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Auerbach, Holzman, and Wilkens were also named one of the top 10 coaches in NBA history in 1996."-->Auerbach, Holzman, and Wilkens were also named as 3 of the top 10 coaches in NBA history in 1996.
Done. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 anyone? 18:34, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 anyone? 18:34, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Both image captions need rewording:
    • "Current head coach of the Hawks, Mike Woodson, has coached the Hawks since 2004."-->Mike Woodson has coached the team since 2004.
    • "Hall of Famer Red Auerbach coached one season for the Blackhawks."-->Hall-of-Famer Red Auerbach coached the Blackhawks for one season.
Done both, though Hall of Famer is usually spelled without dashes. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 anyone? 18:34, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Dabomb87 (talk) 17:17, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:17, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support
    • NBA-NBL merger? There was no such merger. Reword a little.
    • ...as 3 of the top 10 - ...as three of the top 10?
It should be "three of the top ten" or "3 of the top 10", though I prefer the second choice. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 anyone? 03:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

--Crzycheetah 03:46, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nice seeing you back on Wikipedia. Hope you'll get your Wikiholistic ways back. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 anyone? 03:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Sorry to complicate things, but the Hawks actually started out in the NBL as the Buffalo Bisons. They moved to the Tri-Cities midseason. The Hawks' website doesn't mention this for some reason, but here are a few sources: [2], [3], [4]. Zagalejo^^^ 07:50, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't add that part because I didn't have a reference, and they never played as the Bisons. I'll clear up the sentence just in case someone is gonna comment on that again. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 anyone? 07:53, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Added. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 anyone? 07:55, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Are you sure they never played as the Bisons? Where did you read that? Zagalejo^^^ 20:06, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed the sentence. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 anyone? 23:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • A few more comments
  • The Hawks won their only NBA championship in 1958, and they have not returned to the NBA Finals since the 1960 NBA Finals. Why not just say, "they have not returned to the NBA Finals since 1960"? I don't like the repetition of NBA Finals.
  • Did Roger Potter coach the Hawks while the team was in the NBL? If not, the article should clarify that he was the first head coach after the team joined the NBA.
  • Why not include the NBL seasons in the list? This might require some more research, but I'm pretty sure the book Total Basketball contains that information. Zagalejo^^^ 07:58, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Because the potential featured topic that I will be working on is List of NBA head coaches (now a redirect, so no bother wikilinking the article). If WP:NBA agrees on adding the NBL seasons, I'm fine with that, but right now, consistency is what I, and maybe the WP:NBA, want. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 anyone? 08:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think it was maybe because the ABA was merged into the NBA. Also, they have an internet source for ABA seasons. If you can get references for the NBL seasons, I'll put it on the list if you really want it on the list. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 anyone? 20:21, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The second paragraph (especially the fifth sentence onward) seems a little choppy to me. Is there any way to improve the flow? Much of that information is already available in the list, so perhaps we can simplify things. You could just say, for example, that five Hawks coaches have been elected into the Hall of Fame, rather than listing all of them in the lead. Thoughts? Zagalejo^^^ 20:23, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's four by the way. Listing them aren't that bad, as long as it doesn't list like more than five at max. How is that going to improve the "flow" though? I'm not very experienced with the creating sentences (barely passing my English class), so any help from you would be great. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 anyone? 20:27, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh, my bad. There are five Coach of the Year winners. Anyway, we wouldn't automatically improve the flow by doing that, but we would reduce the wordage and make it easier to merge similar ideas into single sentences. I'll have to think about this a little more, though. I don't have any quick fixes in mind. Zagalejo^^^ 20:37, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I took a stab at it. Did I remove too much? I deleted the sentence about the coaches who have spent their entire careers with the franchise, since that's not a particularly meaningful statistic. Many of them were just interim coaches. Zagalejo^^^ 05:32, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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