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List of Celebrity Big Brother (U.S. TV series) houseguests[edit]

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Nominator(s): TheDoctorWho (talk) 01:06, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it is a comprehensive list of the material and would be a great addition to Wikipedia's featured lists. TheDoctorWho (talk) 01:06, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments
    • No need for the hatnote, as the title clearly states it relates to the celebrity version. If you must link to List of Big Brother (U.S. TV series) houseguests, put it in a "See also" section.
    • In the article "HouseGuest" is repeatedly shown like that, but in the title it has no capitals at all - any reason why?
    • I would move the photo of Winokur to the top right and lose the logo
    • "Celebrity Big Brother is the second spin-off of the United States version of Big Brother and American adaption of Celebrity Big Brother which premiered on CBS on February 7, 2018." => "Celebrity Big Brother is the second spin-off of the United States version of Big Brother and the American adaption of Celebrity Big Brother. It premiered on CBS on February 7, 2018."
    • "The series is hosted by Julie Chen Moonves with executive producers Allison Grodner and Rich Meehan" - as it is written, this states that all three of them hosted. Is that actually correct?
    • "The first season concluded twenty-six days after the start of the season on February 25, 2018" => "The first season began on [whatever date] and concluded twenty-six days later on February 25, 2018"
    • "The second season lasted for twenty-nine days when Tamar Braxton won in a unanimous vote" => "The second season lasted for twenty-nine days and ended on [whatever date] when Tamar Braxton won in a unanimous vote"
    • Name column should sort by surname, not forename
    • Where guests have two professions separated by a slash, no reason for the second to have a capital letter
    • No need for capital on Host against Mathews
    • No need for capital on Running against Williams
    • "Ottawa, ON, CA" - Canada should be written in full, otherwise this is highly confusing given all the usages of "CA" to mean "California"
    • "12-Time Olympic medalist swimmer" => "12-time Olympic medal-winning swimmer"
    • When sorting the penultimate column, Scaramucci's "Left Day 6" sorts right at the bottom - it should sort first (exactly as if it was "evicted - day 6")
    • What is actually sourcing the table?
    • Don't see any reason for the second table to exist
    • Date formats in the refs are inconsistent - some are (eg) 2019-02-13, others are February 13, 2019
    • Works/publishers are highly inconsistent in the refs - you have Entertainment Weekly both italicised and not. Some refs have "www.ew.com/. Entertainment Weekly." and others don't have both (you don't need both). Some works/publishers are linked, others are not.
    • Some refs have no work/publisher at all
    • HTH -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:59, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@ChrisTheDude: Thank you for your comments, all are fixed, to answer your two questions, "houseguest" in the title I believe is either per Wikipedia naming conventions or per widely accepted long-term consensus, "HouseGuest" is per WP:BIGBRO; as for the host, only Julie Chen hosts the series but I've fixed that. TheDoctorWho (talk) 03:59, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Aoba47
  • What do you think about using a similar structure to the List of The Apprentice (U.S.) candidates list, where images of the contestants are placed by the table? It just seems a little odd to me to have only have an image of Marissa Jaret Winokur for the list. I would imagine an image of Tamar Braxton (the season two winner) would also be appropriate here. However, this is up to you. Just wanted to ask you about it. Aoba47 (talk) 18:58, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Aoba47: What are your thoughts on how it looks now? Due to this being the celebrity and all but one of the HouseGuests having photographs I've limited the images to just the significant ones so that the article doesn't drag on forever. TheDoctorWho (talk) 22:01, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think it looks better. I agree with you that it is best to keep the number of images limited, but I will leave that up to your judgement as you probably know better than me. I will add more comments momentarily after I read through the lead and the table. Aoba47 (talk) 22:13, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
*For this sentence (Celebrity Big Brother is the second spin-off of the United States version of Big Brother and the American adaption of Celebrity Big Brother.), I would add put this phrase (the American adaption of Celebrity Big Brother) first as I misread the sentence as meaning this show was the second spin-off of being the things identified in the sentence.
  • For this part (The series is hosted by Julie Chen Moonves and is produced), I would add a comma after "Moonves".
  • According to the main Julie Chen article, she only uses the "Julie Chen Moonves" sign-off for the show's second season. Do you think there should be a note about it? I do not think it should be added to the prose of the lead as it would seem out of place, but do you think an endnote/footnote may be appropriate? I understand if you disagree, but I just wanted to raise your attention to this, as it was a controversial move on her part.
  • For this part (as the winner and runner-up of the season respectively), there should be a comma after "season".
  • For this part (On May 5, 2018 CBS renewed the series for a second season), I would add a comma after "2018" and "season".
  • For this part (when Tamar Braxton won in a unanimous vote over Ricky Williams who was declared the runner-up), is the "who was declared the runner-up" part really necessary? Couldn't it be assumed that if one person wins over another in a contest, that the loser would be declared the runner-up be default?
  • I am a little confused by how numbers greater than ten are represented in the lead. For the second paragraph, you stick with representing numbers in words (i.e. "twenty-six", "twenty-nine", and "twelve"), but in the third paragraph, you represent numbers with numerals (i.e. "23"). Make sure to consistent with one way or another throughout the lead.
  • I have two comments about this part (competed in Celebrity Big Brother, however one contestant was later declared to be a fake HouseGuest as part of a twist). I would use the word "but" here rather than "however" as it sounds a little off to me. I am also uncertain about "later" as it pretty vague. I would either drop it altogether or add a footnote/endnote about it to clarify what is meant here.
  • For this part (Mathews and Jaret Winokur later received their own spin-off show entitled Off the Block with Ross and Marissa), I would say the year that the received the spin-off rather than just "later" as that is rather vague.
  • I have never seen the show (reality shows are not really my thing tbh), so apologies if this is really obvious. I do not understand what is meant by this sentence (In addition, a number of first season contestants returned in the second season as special hosts.). Do the contestants do something similar to Julie Chen, do they host challenges? It is unclear what "special hosts" means in this context.
  • Is it really necessary to include the country in "Ottawa, ON, Canada" in the table? The United States is not included in any of the other participant's hometown so it is inconsistent. It should be clear from the wikilink that it is Canada so I would just remove it.

Overall, the list looks in good shape, and I was be more than happy to support this when my comments are addressed. If you have the time, I would greatly appreciate any comments on my current FAC. Either way, have a great start to your week! Aoba47 (talk) 22:33, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Aoba47: Thank you for your comments, all have been addressed. I should have time to take a look at your FAC soon! TheDoctorWho (talk) 00:37, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for addressing everything. I support this for promotion. Aoba47 (talk) 01:16, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by Allied45
  • All images need ALT text (see WP:ALT)
  • "aftershow show" could just be "aftershow"
  • Table needs scope cols and scope rows per MOS:ACCESS (see MOS:DTAB)
  • I would suggest adding a table caption "Table of Celebrity Big Brother houseguests" where you can attach the citations that you repeat in the "Name/Age/Hometown/Profession" column headers (this would avoid the duplication of citations)
  • I am not sure the "Status" column is even necessary, it is already explained in the lead that contestants are evicted. I think the "Finish" column is adequate for this information.
  • Move the citations used in the "Finish" column to a seperate column titled Ref(s) – it just looks cleaner in my opinion
  • "TV personality" links to different articles in the table "Celebrity" and "Reality television" (also maybe expand to "Television personality" like one contestant is listed as)
  • "TV host" -> "Television host"
  • "Host" -> "Talk show host"
  • Add citations to the image captions to make it easier for readers to see winners and "America's Favorite HouseGuest" etc.

Allied45 (talk) 09:18, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Allied45: All done except the status column, when the HouseGuests are evicted is pretty prominent within the series so I recommend it's inclusion. TheDoctorWho (talk) 18:42, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support – that's fine by me (I just made the Ref. column unsortable for you) Allied45 (talk) 07:17, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; it's a little odd that the cites for the evictions don't actually say the eviction day, but they do say the calendar day so I guess it's workable if you know when the season started (as per the lead). So... promoted. --PresN 20:07, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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