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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 22:39, 27 June 2009 [1].

List of Chicago Blackhawks head coaches[edit]

Nominator(s): -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 16:00, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Never done these lists in quite a while, but I do believe it is better than my other head coaches featured lists. Grammar corrections can go straight to the article. Thanks in advance and happy reviewing! -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 16:00, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support No dab links, no dead refs, reference format looks good, article and table format looks good, AWB general fixes ok, all refs have publisher and accessdate.--Kumioko (talk) 03:36, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Chrishomingtang

Comment

  • The publisher/work info for NHL refs are not consistent
  • Done. Chicago Blackhawk's website is also published by the team itself. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 00:33, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not done. Ref 1 uses NHL Enterprises, Ref 13 uses National Hockey League.—Chris! ct 01:34, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
My bad. Done. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 03:32, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Caption of first image: "Pete Muldoon was the Blackhawks first head coach, and is remembered for the Curse of Muldoon."; the second part about Curse of Muldoon needs reference, also link it to Curse of Muldoon. This is kind of obvious since the curse is named after him. But the "remembered for" is problematic.
  • What's the second part? Either way, I'm sure everything on the lead has been referenced. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 00:33, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

—Chris! ct 19:52, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - ok, looks good now —Chris! ct 00:34, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Truco

Comments

Lead
  • 'Also referred to as the Hawks,[3] the team began their NHL play in the 1926–27 season as an expansion team with the Detroit Cougars and the New York Rangers, and was one of the Original Six teams.' -- 1)The beginning of the sentence has no connection to the rest of the sentence, I recommend placing it elsewhere 2)'was' should be 'is' because they still are one of the Original Six.
  • 'Having played in the Chicago Coliseum (1926–1929), and the Chicago Stadium (1929–1994), the Blackhawks have played their home games at the United Center since 1994.' -- Remove the comma after 'Chicago Coliseum (1926-1929)'
  • 'The Blackhawks first first-place finish happened 40 years after that incident.' -- This is optional, but I think 'occurred' would be a better word than 'happened'
  • 'Hughie Lehman, the Blackhawks third head coach, was hired after yelling at the first Blackhawks owner Frederic McLaughlin.' -- I don't really get this. So he was hired because he yelled at some guy?
  • 'Billy Reay, who was the Blackhawks head coach for 14 seasons, is the franchise's all-time leader for the most regular-season and playoff games coached and wins.' -- These types of lists usually state the stats, i.e. how many coached/wins?
  • 'Darryl Sutter and Brian Sutter are the only pair of brothers[12] to have coached the Blackhawks; both coached the Hawks for three seasons.' -- Did they do this together or on separate terms?
  • '22 of the Blackhawks head coaches excluding Pilous have also spent their entire NHL head coaching careers with the Blackhawks.' -- Per MOS:NUM, do not start sentences with numerals, you need to spell them out.
Notes
  • 'A running total of the number of coaches of the Blackhawks. Thus, any coach who has two or more separate terms as head coach is only counted once.' -- Its best to have this as one sentence instead of two.
References
  • There is an inconsistency with the linking of publishers, such as the National Hockey League
  • I think the better way to format the refs for the Blackhawks and from the NHL is by having the Blackhawks as the work and the NHL as the publisher.--Truco 503 01:19, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- Previous issues clarified/resolved; list now meets WP:WIAFL.--Truco 503 23:40, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hiding resolved issue
  • This is probably because of your screen resolution. I think most people have a 17" screen or bigger, and I don't think 5a fits in this category, as it doesn't fail MOS. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 02:11, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • My screen is 19". 5a is about the layout. And, as you can see the layout in this page sucks big time.--Crzycheetah 02:15, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ok, then it's your screen resolution, since I'm using a 17", and mine works perfectly fine. Just so you know, my resolution is 1280x1024. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 02:36, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have mine listed on my userpage among the userboxes. It's 1024x768. I also checked the MoS and noticed that this page fails it, as well. See, MOS:IMAGES.--Crzycheetah 02:53, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Could you tell me which statement is it, so that I don't have to search it, as I am pretty bust in real life right now. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 03:30, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Should be fixed now for smaller resolutions. Also, I suggest you use 1280x1024, since it looks perfect on my 17". That resolution is also the resolution most square screens use. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 07:07, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I get the same problem and it's still there. TheLeftorium 13:18, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you're opposing because of this problem, then I think this is absurd in my opinion, since there is nothing I can do to make this any better. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 17:58, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not gonna oppose the list, but I think something needs to be done. 1024x768 is the most common resolution on the Internet. TheLeftorium 23:04, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • (edit conflict) Actually, although I don't experience his problem, I'm going to attempt to see this from Crzycheetah's POV. This suggests many others (~40%) use 1024x768 or lower. This is always a difficult criteria but I believe it could be actionable. Either all images could be removed or you could try and reduce the wide "Achievements" column which is mostly blank. This would reduce the table width and thus allow more room for images on a smaller res, thus preventing stack-ups. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 23:07, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks so much for the website info, and fixing the stack-up yourself. Hope Crzycheetah is satisfied with the list now that there isn't a stack-up... -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 23:15, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unfortunately it isn't that simple I fixed "my" stack-up problem, Crazycheetah will still have his problem unless one of my suggestions is done. My fix was because I have a wide desplay so the prose spreads across and the images flowed over the next section. I believe that Crzy will have a narrow display causing the images not to fit alongside the table, and the stack-up he illustrated will still occur in that situation. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 23:19, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(→)All right, my concern can be easily addressed. All you need to do is remove the templates Rambo added(thanks for trying, Rambo!) and shorten the word "Reference" making it "Ref". I know it's easier done, than said, but still...--Crzycheetah 01:39, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I hate writing Ref, as it isn't even an abbreviation, and doesn't look professional, but ehh...Done. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 05:43, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Main issues resolved. – (iMatthew • talk) at 01:29, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - My only problem with the list was the image stack-up, and that seems to have been fixed now (at least for 1024x768). TheLeftorium 11:05, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:26, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
  • "They were first named "-->The team was first named
  • "With three Stanley Cup championships, the franchise has the longest streak of not winning the trophy, lasting forty-nine seasons."-->The franchise has three Stanley Cup championships, as well as the longest streak of not winning the trophy, lasting 49 seasons.
  • "The Blackhawks first first-place finish occurred 40 years after that incident." Can you rephrase to avoid the "first first" repetition?
  • "who was the Blackhawks head coach for 14 seasons"
  • "both coached the Hawks for three seasons respectively." "respectively"-->each
  • "Twenty-two of the Blackhawks head coaches excluding Pilous have also spent their entire NHL head coaching careers with the Blackhawks." Why do you exclude Pilous in this number?
  • "winning only 3 of them." Dabomb87 (talk) 15:23, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done all. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 20:37, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:23, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008
*Comments –
  • "when spelling found in the original franchise documents spelled the team name as the 'Chicago Blackhawks'." So the team changed its name in response? I don't understand what this is trying to say.
Inserted explanation. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 02:39, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Blackhawks only have the longest active Stanley Cup drought. Any New York Rangers fan could tell you that.
At first, I also thought the Rangers had a streak, but didn't bother to do the math. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 02:39, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove comma after Dale Tallon.
Done. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 02:39, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "the Blackhawks third head coach". Apostrophe for Blackhawks. Another one needed in the Billy Reay sentence.
Done. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 02:39, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comma after "first Blackhawks owner".
Done. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 02:39, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "as so did twenty-two others." Lose "so".
Done. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 02:39, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "to have won a Stanley Cup championship while being the head coach of the Hawks." → "to have won a Stanley Cup championship as the head coach of the Hawks."
Done. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 02:39, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is there proof that the lead photo and first photo at the side of the table were published before 1923?
No, but it was uploaded by an experienced editor named Maxim, so you could ask him how he identified that the photos were published before 1923. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 02:39, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'll do that. If finding proof of publication is going to be difficult, it might be a good idea to remove the images for now. They can always be re-added later. Giants2008 (17-14) 20:23, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Giants2008 (17-14) 21:39, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Muldoon one is undoubtedly a crop from a team pic like this one taken from here, thus it was published around the time it was made, thus PD-1923; the other one is an obvious PD-Canada (taken pre-1949, must have tagged PD-US accident). Maxim(talk) 21:07, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support – I was waiting for the images to be cleared before returning. Now that they have been provven acceptable, everything appears to meet FL standards. Giants2008 (17-14) 20:17, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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