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The list was promoted by Giants2008 22:08, 22 June 2012 [1].

List of English Twenty20 cricket champions[edit]

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Nominator(s): Harrias talk 13:34, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel that it meets the FL criteria. It is based upon the FL List of official County Championship winners, among others. As usual, all thoughts and comments would be appreciated. Harrias talk 13:34, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Quick Comments: Three players in the table goes to a disambiguation page, and one player leads to an Arab leader (Arafat), you should fix those.
  – HonorTheKing (talk) 13:55, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, sorted that now! Harrias talk 07:07, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from ZiaKhan 07:14, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Image needs Alt text.
  • As the 2012 season has not yet started, it would be inappropriate to include anything about it: this is a list of champions, not of seasons: I will update it at the end of the season, once there is a new champion, not earlier. Harrias talk 06:26, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • A template at the end will be helpful.

ZiaKhan 22:00, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support meets the criteria. ZiaKhan 13:27, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 21:34, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Just a quick comment on 3b, as I'm sure someone will mention, I think the list meets this certain criteria, as the parent article could be expanded and therefore render including this information redundant.
  • Could consider adding a history section such as in this list
  • Possibly, but personally I think that would be more the purview of a history section of the Twenty20 Cup and the Friends Life t20 articles, and obviously, the individual articles. I think recently we have started to see more and more lists move away from the stand-alone format, and blur the edges between list and article, which is no bad thing, but for the moment with this list, I am happy to follow the standard stand-alone list format for this. Harrias talk 17:58, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not sure there is much point in listing the counties that haven't won a championship in the second table it seems redundant to me.

NapHit (talk) 11:14, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • I think you are probably right: it is something I debated with myself a few times back and forth. I'll leave it in for the moment, and if we keep this visible, just for any further comment, but if nothing more is said on the matter, I'll get rid of it in a week or so. Harrias talk 17:58, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Given no one else has voiced an opinion either way, I've removed them. Harrias talk 11:33, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hmmm.. this has messed up the formatting of the references a little, as the image trails down into that section: have a look and let me know what you think? Harrias talk 11:35, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 08:15, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments short and sweet but, in my opinion, can withstand existing as a separate list.
  • I think you could afford to put "English Twenty20 cricket champions" in bold as you're not linking the key terms until after that.
  • Daily Telegraph is actually The Daily Telegraph.
  • As I said above, I think something like that would be better served in the parent article(s), but yes, the finals specifically would probably be better placed in a specific list of the finals: should such a page be deemed notable. Harrias talk 11:32, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lead image caption probably could use (players celebrating the 20xx victory) or something to put the image into better context.
  • The issue is that the photo is specifically of them celebrating their semi-final win in 2012. Harrias talk 11:32, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • You could have "(pictured celebrating their semi-final win in 2012)"? The Rambling Man (talk) 16:57, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Perhaps worth noting that the B&H was an ODI competition with 40(?) overs, so the shortening of the matches came about naturally since half as many overs were played?
  • "the Friends Provident t20" looks funny to my eyes, that you link Friends Provident and then have t20 unlinked afterwards. Would consider "the 'Friends Provident t20'...".
  • Done, though for consistency have also done it for the B&H, Twenty20 Cup and FLt20. Harrias talk 11:32, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "each team was allowed two overseas players" not sure you need to repeat "overseas players".
  • Consider linking Quota players for "overseas player". I've never heard of "quota player" but the article does a bit of a job on explaining what you mean.
  • Done, nice find, I've been looking for something decent to link that to for ages! Harrias talk 11:32, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "qualified for the Champions League Twenty20," (I'd say who that was) and how did they get on?
  • I'm not sure on this one; given that the information provided here provides an easy way to check which teams it was, it would seem slightly superfluous to list the counties in the lead, and information on how they did I would think is more detail than is needed in this list article, but you could convince me? Harrias talk 11:32, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Essex CC isn't linked in the table.
  • Which then poses the awkward question, should all the top scorers etc have their county linked?!
  • Linking these two points together: good point! I have linked the counties wherever that county was not the winner or runner-up, how's it look? I'm not against linking them all if it will be a visual improvement: it does look a little random at the moment! Harrias talk 11:32, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not sure that "(Ordered by..)" should have a capital O each time. (And "... Runs" and "... Wickets" etc).
  • That's how they copy from the source. I'm not against changing them, but I don't see that it does much harm either way. Harrias talk 11:32, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, it doesn't really do any harm, but I tend to apply the rules of grammar to ref titles as well as article content. Although I must admit that I can't find that in MOS anywhere, so I guess it's just a personal pref... The Rambling Man (talk) 16:57, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 3 should use an en-dash, not a hyphen in the title.

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:13, 14 June 2012 (UTC) As usual, thanks for your comments. A few of my replies probably require some further thought and discussion, so I look forward to your continued input. Harrias talk 11:32, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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