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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:31, 23 June 2018 (UTC) [1].

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List of Governors of Illinois

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Nominator(s): Golbez (talk) 18:21, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

To be honest I'm not sure about this one; it feels like it's missing something but I can't put my finger on what. It has everything the other governor FLs have, it just seems bare, I guess because there's much fewer transitions that need footnotes/references, and despite being an old state, the rules have remained pretty steady. So since it seems to meet the criteria, here we go. Golbez (talk) 18:21, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Courcelles is travelling (talk) 19:56, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

*The lead seems very bare, should be buffed up to 2-3 paragraphs. But with what? It had more info on the office but I think that's extraneous for the list. --Golbez (talk) 18:37, 21 May 2018 (UTC) How many governors resigned, and for what reasons... who was impeached? Anyone but Blagojevich? Anyone move on to higher office like Senator or President...? Courcelles (talk) 18:46, 21 May 2018 (UTC) I've readded the info on the office itself, and I've added a note on Blago. --Golbez (talk) 14:56, 1 June 2018 (UTC) Need a key for the colours. Not really, they're tied to the party, I was thinking of maybe moving the color bar to the party column to make that more obvious but I don't see a key being required. --Golbez (talk) 18:37, 21 May 2018 (UTC) Most of the notes need sourcing. I'll source the ones that need it and update when done. --Golbez (talk) 18:37, 21 May 2018 (UTC) Footnote F and L seems important enough to bring into the prose. F already is, I'll look into L. --Golbez (talk) 18:37, 21 May 2018 (UTC) Thanks for this; L was incorrect. It wasn't an amendment, it was a schedule in the constitution that - in their wisdom - was to be struck out of all published versions once it was deemed complete. So there's very few places to find the original text. the lead is the biggie, and I suppose why no one has reviewed this list yet, right now, I don't see this meeting the criteria without work. Courcelles (talk) 17:37, 21 May 2018 (UTC) Or there's not enough people who care. One would hope that if a reviewer saw a list that was deficient, they'd say so rather than just closing the tab and moving on. --Golbez (talk) 18:37, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

• Support Courcelles is travelling (talk) 19:56, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
• Comments I will echo the statement above, the lead is far too short for a featured list. Maybe you can discuss the roles and responsibilities of the governors, if those changed over time, etc... give some context to the list as well as a summary. An example can be found here: List of Governors of Arkansas. Also note the useful infobox. Mattximus (talk) 01:31, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
  • But we already have an article on the office; I didn't want to needlessly duplicate info. I feel like Arkansas' should be trimmed, but only when it has an article. However, I've reverted myself to put it back. --Golbez (talk) 14:56, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
    • It's not needless duplication, what if a reader only clicks on the list page and doesn't refer to the main page? It will be hard to pass without adding this info, and I do like the inclusion of the infobox like in the Arkansas list. Mattximus (talk) 17:40, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
      • It's been added. --Golbez (talk) 13:16, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose - sorry, for me this is a quick fail on the lead - two lines (on my screen) is nowhere near long enough -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:53, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
  • I've readded the information on the office; @ChrisTheDude:, please review. --Golbez (talk) 14:56, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
    • The lead still seems a bit on the short side. Also, is there a reason why this list doesn't use the infobox that the Arkansas one does? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:37, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
      • It was on the Governor of Illinois page, but I've added it here. --Golbez (talk) 13:16, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
        • The only remaining thing I've got is that there's a sentence in the lead which starts with a numeral. Could you re-word it to avoid this? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:31, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
          • I rewrote the sentence a little bit. --Golbez (talk) 14:30, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
            • Now happy to support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:58, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Comments by Dudley

• Dates for the comments on Thompson and Blagojevich in the second paragraph would be helpful.
• The third paragraph needs references.
• "Illinois Territory was formed on March 1, 1809, from Indiana Territory. It had only one governor appointed by the President of the United States before it became a state. From March to June 1809, Territorial Secretary Nathaniel Pope served as acting governor; Edwards' arrival in Illinois ended Pope's brief administration." This paragraph has a number of issues. The first sentence could do with clarification and you refer to Edwards as if he has already been mentioned. Presumably, as you date Edwards' administration from March, he was appointed at the same time as the territory was created, but you do not make this clear. I am not sure of the best way to word it. Perhaps "Illinois was part of Indiana Territory from 1800 to March 1, 1809, when Illinois was separated off and Ninian Edwards was appointed governor of Illinois Territory. Territorial Secretary Nathaniel Pope served as acting governor until Edwards' arrival in June."
• "If the governor determines that they are seriously impeded, they can inform the secretary of state and the next in the line of succession" What does this mean? "They" appears to mean the governor and the lieutenant governor, but how impeded and who is the next in line of succession? Dudley Miles (talk) 09:10, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Added dates to Thompson and Blajo; removed third graf; cleaned up territory sentence; and ... that's just how the constitution is worded: "Whenever the Governor determines that he may be seriously impeded in the exercise of his powers, he shall so notify the Secretary of State and the officer next in line of succession." "They" refers to the governor. The next in line is [usually] the lieutenant governor: "the order of succession to the office of Governor or to the position of Acting Governor shall be the Lieutenant Governor, the elected Attorney General, the elected Secretary of State, and then as provided by law." Since it's never gone beyond Lt Gov, and since it could be lengthy ("as provided by law"), I didn't go into excess detail about the line of succession. --Golbez (talk) 14:25, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

• It is still unclear as "they" appears to refer to the two people mentioned in the previous sentence, the governor and lieutenant governor. How about "If the governor determines that he or she may be seriously impeded in the exercise of their powers, they shall so notify the secretary of state and the lieutenant governor, who becomes acting governor until the governor can resume office." Dudley Miles (talk) 14:57, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

• I prefer to avoid "he or she", I've rewritten that part of the sentence. --Golbez (talk) 16:10, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

• Support. Dudley Miles (talk) 17:39, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 06:56, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Comments The table fails MOS:COLOR for the parties represented by the Lt. Gov's. "Illinois was admitted to the Union on December 3, 1818, consisting of the southern portion of Illinois Territory; the remainder was assigned to Michigan Territory." unreferenced? Don't use hash for No., see WP:HASH. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:50, 8 June 2018 (UTC) re Color: I don't think it does; the Lieutenant Governors are noted as serving the same party as the governors unless noted, so no info is being conveyed purely by color. The other two are fixed. --Golbez (talk) 17:23, 8 June 2018 (UTC) Aha I missed those sneaky little notes! All good. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:26, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

• Support my concerns addressed. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:56, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 17:03, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

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