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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 08:08, 18 July 2009 [1].

List of Hot 100 number-one singles of 2008 (Canada)[edit]

Nominator(s): -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 22:56, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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No one has been talking about merging this article in a very long time, so why not go ahead and nominate it for FLC. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 22:56, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Truco

Comments

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  • 'Three number-one singles tied for the longest-running chart-topping single of 2007: Madonna's "4 Minutes" featuring Justin Timberlake, Perry's "I Kissed a Girl", and Lady Gaga's "Poker Face" all topped the chart for nine weeks, though "Poker Face" ended its run in the end of January 2009;[5] "I Kissed a Girl" was consecutive.' -- Could this be better formatted as Three number-one singles tied for the longest-running chart-topping single of 2007: Madonna's "4 Minutes" featuring Justin Timberlake, Perry's "I Kissed a Girl", and Lady Gaga's "Poker Face" all topped the chart for nine weeks; "I Kissed a Girl" was consecutive while "Poker Face" ended its run in the end of January 2009.[5] (I also suggest adding at the end how "4 Minutes" was also not consecutive.) Or I recommend formatting how it is in the 2007 list The song is also the longest-running chart-topping single since the formation of the Canadian Hot 100. Rihanna's "Umbrella" stayed at number one for four straight weeks, while Fergie's "Big Girls Don't Cry", Timbaland's "The Way I Are", Plain White T's' "Hey There Delilah", and Kanye West's "Stronger" stayed at number one for three weeks; the latter two were non-consecutive.
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  • If you are going to link the publishers once, do this for all publishers, not just Nielsen.--Truco 503 00:47, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done all. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 20:43, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- Previous issues resolved/clarified; list meets WP:WIAFL.--Truco 503 15:09, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support My issues were resolved; however, I see there are still a couple concerns. Obviously, that's a moot point now that the list has been promoted. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:17, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
  • "Three number-one singles tied for the longest-running chart-topping single of 2007: Madonna's "4 Minutes" featuring Justin Timberlake, Perry's "I Kissed a Girl", and Lady Gaga's "Poker Face" all topped the chart for nine weeks; "I Kissed a Girl" was consecutive, "4 Minutes" was non-consecutive, while "Poker Face" ended its run in the end of January 2009."-->Three number-one singles tied for the longest-running chart-topping single of 2007, at nine weeks: Madonna's "4 Minutes" featuring Justin Timberlake, Perry's "I Kissed a Girl", and Lady Gaga's "Poker Face", the last of which ended its run in January 2008. "I Kissed a Girl"'s and "Poker Face"'s runs were consecutive, while "4 Minutes"'s was non-consecutive.
  • "making it the largest leap since the chart's establishment."
  • "first non-North American act to have reached number-one on the chart."-->first non-North American act to reach number-one on the chart. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:50, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dabs; please check the disambiguation links identified in the toolbox. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 17:45, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good, although I would love it if you could find a replacement for acharts. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:50, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done all. For the source comment, like I said on the 2007 FLC, I couldn't find one while searching for an hour. Hope you could though. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 02:19, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose
    • The "issue date" info is secondary and should not be the first column. This is a list of singles; thus, singles need to be mentioned first.
  • Where is the "need" coming from? Anyways, most featured lists usually first with the topic, which is the Canadian Hot 100, and then ends with the specifics, in this case in the singles of 2007. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 03:07, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thought you meant the lead. For this one, I'm trying to be consistent with other featured singles lists. Look at reply on the comment below. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 03:08, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • The weeks need to be combined in order to get rid of unnecessary white space in the table.
  • Again with the "need". I'm being consistent with the other featured singles lists, but since I think it's a nice idea, it would be nice if you could suggest this to WP:RECORD. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 03:07, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Standards always evolve, I mean take a look at the FLs from 2006-07 and you'll notice. As for the WP:RECORD, I suppose I can suggest it.--Crzycheetah 04:31, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • So you're telling me to compare old featured lists instead of new ones? -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 05:28, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am saying the exact opposite. I just told you to compare old FLs to the new ones to see how standards progressed, so make this list better than the last list that was promoted.--Crzycheetah 05:38, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Rihanna's "Take a Bow" is noted for its jump from 70th to 1st place on the Canadian Hot 100, the largest leap since the chart's establishment." - It's wrong! It's actually Coldplay's "violet hill" per your source.
  • I meant this part: "the largest leap since the chart's establishment". The largest leap belongs to someone else. "Laugh out loud". Ha!--Crzycheetah 04:31, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Leona Lewis' "Bleeding Love" made her the first non-North American act to reach number-one on the chart' - It's unsourced! Do you actually check your references? There's nothing about Leona in your source.
  • Yes, but since there is no one source that says that, I referenced it with that source, as the website contains all the Canadian Hot 100 charts in it. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 03:07, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • You might as well put google.com as a source. Seriously, how's the reader supposed to verify that info when there's no mention in the source? *Shrugs* --Crzycheetah 04:31, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • True, but ehh...I think it's important information, and I'll try to find a better source for that sentence. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 05:28, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

--Crzycheetah 02:44, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative text for images should be added (discussion). Dabomb87 (talk) 01:21, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So should the alt text for the Flo Rida image be "An African man with a purple T-shirt, rapping."? -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 02:09, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure whether "African" is necessary (readers can always see the main article). You might describe his clothing, and that he is in a concert. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:12, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, I have an average understanding of English, so I need a copy-edit for the alt text captions. I wrote "A woman" for the Madonna image, and I feel like it isn't needed. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 02:22, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I edited the alt text, and am satisfied. Has Crzycheetah been asked to revisit? Dabomb87 (talk) 02:31, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't even know this is still on, until I edited the backlog. Laugh out loud. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 02:35, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
My opposition stands because of poor layout and poor referencing. Those alt texts don't improve the page, at all. It's like mocking the readers. Anyone who looks at the picture can see that it's a guy with purple shirt or a woman with pink glasses. Blind people who are not able to see the picture, will not be able to read the alt text anyway.--Crzycheetah 16:02, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Crzycheetah, please read WP:ALT; alt text is read by the screen readers, not by the people themselves. I also invite you to turn off images in your browser and see how alt text improves the experience. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:04, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Aren't the captions enough to describe the images?--Crzycheetah 16:08, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You tell me. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:20, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I can say that the caption on that image is really bad, as well. It's just repeating the info in the lead, which is very hard to verify, by the way. I can see your changes now, adding the names is a big plus. Anyway, I can see how it helps having alt texts, but we really need to be careful with that because there are three different texts that should always mention different things. They are file names, alt texts, and caption text. I have seen images with the file name "*** sings at Red Square", or captions with similar text. Now, add the alt texts and we're going to have headaches.--Crzycheetah 16:38, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The issue dates shouldn't wrap as long as there is white space between the table and the column of images. I could support this nomination if not for this minor issue. Goodraise 21:20, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done. You might want to contact WT:RECORD, as the table formats are the same on all featured Hot 100 lists. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 17:45, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support, meets WP:WIAFL. Goodraise 19:21, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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