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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 22:08:06 22 December 2019 (UTC) [1].

List of India national football team hat-tricks[edit]

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Nominator(s): Dey subrata (talk) 15:36, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because, the article has a good lead written as prose, introduce well to the subject comprising all needed informations and events along with all necessary reliable citations, well structured and follows WP:MOS and is stable, most information are backed by multiple citation, so to give more stability to the article. I hope the article is well enough to get promoted. Dey subrata (talk) 15:36, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And please take note that, the article is reviewed and corrected, all discussions are there at the Talk page of the article. Thank you. Dey subrata (talk) 15:41, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - you already have two FLCs open, you shouldn't really be starting another until at least one of those has been closed..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:17, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@ChrisTheDude: Yes I understand your concern, thats why I was waiting to get it listed here, as by suggestions at WP:FLC, "....until the first has gained substantial support and reviewers' concerns have been substantially addressed." So, as the first two lists got 3-4 supports which I must say substantial enough as going through all "Older nominations" I found that there are 2-3 supports and even 1 support in some of them. Anway, I will not add any more further in the list to get promoted, I have few more to add, will surely wait untill all these get closed. Dey subrata (talk) 21:31, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I was advised by the FL director that a user should not have more than two FLCs open at a time..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:24, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So, what to do now. Dey subrata (talk) 14:23, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Giants2008:, could you kindly confirm? Thanks! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:32, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That is correct, Chris. While I have no problem with a second FLC being opened when a nominator's list has 3–4 supports, I'd be reluctant to allow a third nom. That does go against the spirit of the instructions, which help to keep the size of FLC manageable and help ensure that most lists receive enough reviewer attention. If any one editor has five noms, for example, that just makes it harder for any individual list to get enough reviews to gain a consensus for promotion, making the process slower for everyone. Dey, my suggestion is that this be removed from the main FLC page and brought back when one of the existing FLCs concludes. Giants2008 (Talk) 16:53, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, sure. Dey subrata (talk) 17:40, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Giants2008 , can I move it to the main page now. Dey subrata (talk) 19:50, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Dey subrata: It looks like you still have two FLCs open, including one where I gave a source review. There was one reviewer who never returned to that FLC after the initial review who I was waiting on before closing the FLC. Let me ping them to see if their concerns are resolved; if so, that FLC would be on track for promotion this weekend, and you could then nominate this list as your second nom. Giants2008 (Talk) 02:28, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "The first footballer" - I would say "the first player", to avoid saying football twice in one sentence
  • "to score a hat-trick (three or more goals)" => "to score a hat-trick (three or more goals in a match)"
  • "He achieved the feat in a friendly match against Australia on 24 September 1938, at Sydney Showground but India" => "He achieved the feat in a friendly match against Australia on 24 September 1938, at the Sydney Showground, although India"
  • "This is also the only instance for India to lose a game after a player scoring a hat-trick for the team." => "This is the only instance when India have lost a game in which a player scored a hat-trick for the team."
  • "Lumsden is also the only footballer" - "Lumsden was the only footballer"
  • "the final match of 2008 AFC Challenge Cup " => "the final match of the 2008 AFC Challenge Cup "
  • "helped India to win the cup title" => "helped India to win the cup"
  • After 1956 Melbourne Olympics there is a gap before the refs - remove this
  • "and with four goals in three matches" - sentence shouldn't start with a lower case letter, or with the word "and", so change to "With four goals in three matches"
  • "Branko Zebec was the first player to score a hat-trick against India while scoring four times" => "Branko Zebec was the first player to score a hat-trick against India, scoring four times"
  • "As of 5 September 2019, ten players have scored a hat-trick for the national team" - why is the first part of this in italics and the rest not?
  • "Only FIFA-recognized international matches by India national football team" => "Only FIFA-recognized international matches played by the India national football team". Also, is recognised/recognized spelt with a Z in Indian English?
  • HTH - ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:53, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@ChrisTheDude: Fixed all issues, and yes recognize is the correct form of the word, its used in India, UK and all commonwealth nations, even google (US) shows "ze". Dey subrata (talk) 10:36, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Dey subrata: the Z is most definitely not used in the UK. I am British and can confirm that the British English spelling is recognise, with an S (eg in this headline). That's why I checked, because I assumed that Indian English would mirror British spellings..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:48, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@ChrisTheDude: May be then UK (only) don't use but India, US and Commonwealth nations like Canada and Australia use ze...thats more correct form. Here the Cambridge dictionary 1, thats Merriam-Webster 2, and here UK's Oxford 3. The actual entry was recognize, so far I know. Dey subrata (talk) 10:54, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thats what Grammarist say, here. So most user use ze actually. Dey subrata (talk) 11:00, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, I was only checking.......... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:04, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
:-) I am also learning things or two. Dey subrata (talk) 11:08, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I see that you have re-arranged the images to have three in a horizontal line at the bottom of the lead. IMO this really doesn't look good. The images of D'Souza and Chhetri should be alongside the first table, but one above the other not side-by-side. And the image of Zebec should be alongside the second table -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:38, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
ChrisTheDude Done. Dey subrata (talk) 13:52, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Can you double check that you have actioned all my points above? I notice that the article still says "This is also the only instance for India to lose a game after a player scoring a hat-trick for the team", which I indicated needed changing...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:00, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
ChrisTheDude Yup fixed, I thought the change was for "the" only, changed the line and "also" in the next point removed and but => although done for third point. Dey subrata (talk) 12:57, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I made a few minor tweaks and am now happy to support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:56, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • The alt text for Mewalal's image is a bit choppy and legendary is a WP:PEACOCK term.
Fixed changed the line.
Linked.
  • "helped India to be the first Asian team to reach the semi-finals of the tournament", a little clunky perhaps. "Helped India become the first..." maybe?
Fixed.
  • "India have conceded thirteen hat-tricks to date", to date leaves this open to interpretation. Use an as of date so the reader knows when the list was last updated.
Both the table have dates.
True but the user would still need to read the entire text to get there. See Wikipedia:As of for further info. Kosack (talk) 13:17, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is there a reason you're piping Ashraf Nu'man's link to use his full name even though his article doesn't?
  • "after conceding a hat-trick happened against Yemen", occurred rather than happened perhaps?
Above both fixed.
  • Refs 1, 12 and 23 use forename/surname format for the authors while all other refs use the opposite. Use one style for consistency.
  • The formatting for refs 1 and 23 is leaving no gap between the last two authors. You can use last1, last2, last3, etc for multiple authors in refs.
  • Refs 7 and 47 have an author available.
  • Refs 11 and 19 have a publishing date available.
Above all fixed.
  • Some of the external links don't seem particularly relevant to the article. For example, the "Football tournament of the Olympic Games−Overview" only mentions India once and seemingly has no relevance to any hat-trick?
"Football tournament of the Olympic Games−Overview" is kept for the fact that rather than two Olympic article only Overview page seems logical to keep as you can there in the overview page list of all games are there, if anyone one to see both the 1952 and 1956 (whose references are made in this article) can directly open from that overview article. Same with the "Olympic football tournament final" by FIFA. Similarly rather than including all the world cup qualification article in the external link better to keep the "World Cup Archive" where on can open any world cup qualifying tournament (this also helps in not including anymore links in the external link as if any hat-trick scored in world cup or the qualifying tournamnet it will be automatically updated in the "World Cup Archive"), same with AFC Asian cup.
I'd consider it a little overkill but it's not something to get hung up about, no further concerns on that point. Kosack (talk) 13:17, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A few points from an initial run through. Kosack (talk) 21:54, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Kosack: Addressed all above, please check. Dey subrata (talk) 11:55, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've made two minor copyedits on grammar. One further point, "for the AFC Asian Cup after 27 years in 2011" might be worth changing to something like "for the AFC Asian Cup in 2011, the first time in 27 years that the team reached the final tournament". After 27 years on it's own is a little vague perhaps. One further reply on the "as of" note also. Kosack (talk) 13:17, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Kosack: Well I think that looks more constructive, changed the line accordingly, and added date to "as of" issue. Dey subrata (talk) 15:22, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
All of my issues have been addressed. Happy to support. Kosack (talk) 20:33, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Kosack Thank You for all the needed corrections, and support, would appreciate your comments at the other one List of highest individual scores in ODIs. Dey subrata (talk) 03:17, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Chris and Kosack have taken care of everything for me. Great job to you! – zmbro (talk) 02:52, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Source review –

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 23:08, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
*In the references, I see Rediff (ref 8) and rediff.com (refs 41 and 44). Pick one style for presenting the publishers and stick with it for all uses of that site.
    • Fixed.
  • In ref 27, The Hindu should be italicized as a print publication. To do this, the best way would be to use the newspaper= parameter and take out the sportstar.thehindu.com bit, because if you use the website and newspaper parameters you will get a nasty-looking red error message. Or you could use Sportstar instead of The Hindu if the piece is from that publication.
    • Sportstar is the magazine of The Hindu, The Hindu is the publisher, so Sportstar is made italics by including in work and the The hindu is kept as publisher.
  • What makes ozfootball.net (ref 1) a reliable source?
    • The original site was Australia Online football museum andis a recognised by Australian soccer federation as its the only website where details of matches for Australian football, national teams and leagues can be found including newspaper stories that were published in old times. This link itself is the original column of the newspaper details of the IND vs AUS matches along with other unofficial matches played by the Indian team and newpapers mainly Sydney Morning Herald and more which were published at that time. The link that I have added in the article is nothing but summarized and tabled version of those written in the newspaper link. If you ask I can add the archived link where newspaper details are used but it will be rather easy for reader to see a summarized citation afterall both is of Ozfootball. They used to publish yearly magazines online and published online news but now stopped in 2018. Oz football is the oldest data base and football news website of Australia created in 1995. Its created and maintained by Australian football professionals who are directly involved with Australian national football, Australian League and various clubs, like that of football researcher and statistician and sport industry professional Tony Persogolia or researcher like Thomas Esamie, faculty at University of Technology, Sydney. Giants2008, fixed other issues. Dey subrata (talk) 01:07, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Other than those issues, the reliability and formatting of the sources are okay, and the link-checker tool shows no problems. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:27, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • The fixes and explanations look satisfactory to me. This source review has been passed. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:08, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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