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The list was promoted by User:Matthewedwards 00:56, 17 December 2008 [1].

List of Los Angeles Dodgers Opening Day starting pitchers[edit]

I believe this meets the Featured List criteria, similar to other featured lists of this type, such as List of Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim Opening Day starting pitchers and List of Kansas City Royals Opening Day starting pitchers. Rlendog (talk) 03:06, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from SRX

Oppose from SRX

  • The second and third paragraphs need to be merged into one.
  • Drysdale would make seven Opening Day starts for the Dodgers in the 1950s and 1960s, a team record. - how about, ..would make seven more Opening Day starts In addition, why not give an actual exact time, i.e. 2004-2008 or from 2004 to 2008.
  • Drysdale would make seven Opening Day starts for the Dodgers in the 1950s and 1960s, a team record. Fellow Hall of Fame pitcher Don Sutton shares this record with seven Opening Day starts accumulated during the 1970s. merge these. a team record shared with Don Sutton, who accumulated them from (exact time)
  • The other Los Angeles Dodgers pitchers with at least four Opening Day starts are Fernando Valenzuela, who made six such starts in the 1980s, Ramon Martinez, who made five such starts in the 1990s, and Orel Hershiser, who made four Opening Day starts from 1987 through 1994. -> Fernando Valenzuela, Ramon Martinez, and Orel Hershiser have had at least four Opening Day starts, with 6, 5, and 4, respectively.
  • Merge the last 3 paragraphs into one instead of small individual ones.
  • Can a different symbol be used instead of #? Like a dagger or something.
  • The color coding should only be on the players name due to the unappealing appearance, see List of New Orleans Saints head coaches.
  • Who is the publisher for the general ref?--SRX 22:41, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Addressed all but the color coding comment. I addressed the "merge the last 3 paragraphs into one" slightly differently than suggested, in a manner that I think flows better. With respect to the color coding comment, personally I don't find the appearance unappealing, but will revise if there is a consensus to do so. But I don't think there is, since all the other Featured Lists of this type use the color coding used here. In additon to the lists listed in the lead, there are also List of New York Mets Opening Day starting pitchers, List of New York Yankees Opening Day starting pitchers, List of Seattle Mariners Opening Day starting pitchers, List of Minnesota Twins Opening Day starting pitchers, List of Boston Red Sox Opening Day starting pitchers and others. I think the color coding suggested works well for List of New Orleans Saints head coaches since the information subject to the color coding is very specific to the coach, while in this case the color is related to the team performance in the season. Rlendog (talk) 02:57, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - my issues were resolved to meet WP:WIAFL.--SRX 21:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Comments

Support I did make some fixes, but this is another very good baseball list that meets all criteria. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:47, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:48, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24
Comments
  • "California native Don Drysdale..." Where's the reference?
  • "Dodgers starting pitchers won both of their Opening Day starts in their first home ballpark in Los Angeles, Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum." You could tell the readers the Don Drysdale was the only one to have pitched and won there.
  • That seems more like trivia. If anyone is interested, the information is available right on the list. Rlendog (talk) 19:57, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "...with Don Sutton who accumulated then from..." then --> them.
  • "...only made one Opening Day start in 1964." --> "only made one Opening Day start with the Dodgers in 1964."
  • Not sure I see what you are getting at. The article is about the Dodgers and Koufax only pitched for the Dodgers. I added a comma before "in 1964", which may clarify the sentence. Rlendog (talk) 19:57, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Fernando Valenzuela, Ramon Martinez and Derek Lowe share..." remove Fernando and Ramon.
  • "The starting pitcher won the Opening Day game in 1965 and 1981, but lost in 1959, 1962 and 1988." be more specific as I was confused the first time I read it.
  • Reworded slightly. Hopefully that clarifies. Rlendog (talk) 19:57, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Bold the whole left side of the key except for the last three, since They are bold on the table.
  • But it is in all the "List of (team) head coaches" articles. Also, comprehensiveness matters more than consistency. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 20:26, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was going to do this, but actually the "W", "L", etc. shouldn't be bolded, which would leave only 3 or 4 items on the key bolded, which I don't think would look good. I am not sure how bolding those items would improve the list's comprehensiveness. Rlendog (talk) 18:36, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can you sort the "Decision" column by W, L, and then ND instead of sorting it alphabetically?
  • I just think that sorting it by W, L, and then ND would look better, but it was only a suggestion.
  • Add the Baseball-Reference of the table onto the "General" references.
  • I see your point, but the way it is the decisions sort out nicely from worst (a loss), through next worst (no decision where the team loses) to pretty good (no decision where the team wins) through best (a win). And if a user wants to switch from best to worst, s/he can just hit the sort button again to reverse the order. Rlendog (talk) 18:35, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not sure what the issue is here. All the references are specific in-line citations except for the item already listed under "General References" Rlendog (talk) 19:57, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • These aren't issues, these are comments and suggestions. Also, the baseball-reference IS a general reference. That is why it should be on the general references. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 20:26, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done.
  • Ref 14 has a wrong title. I also don't think Baseball Almanac is a reliable source of information.
  • Changed the title. Not sure why Baseball Almanac would not be a reliable source. Rlendog (talk) 19:57, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you look at my talk page by clicking the number 24 on my signature, you'll see that Dabomb replied about Baseball-Almanac, if it is reliable or not. We cannot tell that the source is reliable as we don't know where they got the information from. That is why I don't believe it is a reliable source of information. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 21:29, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article isn't wikilinked on the "Los Angeles Dodgers" navbox.
  • Check all the the article to see if there are any redirects.
-- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 02:44, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Good luck with all the other "List of (MLB team) Opening Day starting pitchers" articles. If you look here, you can easily see which of those articles need to be written. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 22:43, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment
  • I just want to know, why was the article split into the Brooklyn side, and the Los Angeles side? -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 04:15, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are a number of reasons why I felt it would be better to split the list. Dodger history goes a long way back, and a list with over 100 years can be unwieldy. The move to LA took place pretty much in the middle of Dodger history, and thus was a natural breakpoint. It also works well for this particular list, since none of the pitchers who made an Opening Day start in Brooklyn made an Opening Day start in LA (I made a similar break for the Giants; there the break is not quite as clean, as one picther who made several Opening Day starts in NY also made one in SF). Another reason was more practical. There is a lot more information available for the last 50 years than earlier. In particular, while information as to how the team did on Opening Day is available at least back to 1900, information about individual pitchers' decisions in those starts is less readily available. Thus lists like List of Boston Red Sox Opening Day starting pitchers have had to use the team result for the decision, rather than the pitcher's decision (admittedly, going back in history the starting pitcher almost always got the decision). I had to make that compromise for the Brooklyn Dodgers list, but not the LA Dodgers list. Rlendog (talk) 21:07, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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