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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:The Rambling Man 07:10, 4 July 2008 [1].

List of Los Angeles Lakers head coaches[edit]

I worked on this article in my sandbox then moved it. I think this list does meet featured list criteria. If you guys have any questions or comments, I would try to answer them. (Annoyomous24) (talk) 22:55, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Perhaps force a TOC with Help:TOC so people don't have to use a scroll bar to get to the bottom of the page.DONE! Gary King (talk) 01:08, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Are there any public domain pictures that can be added to the article? DONE!
  • "1948 - 1960." Check out WP:DASH DONE!
  • "The Lakers are generally regarded as one of the NBA's most successful franchises." Says who? Reference please DONE!
  • The article contains some sentences that are lifted straight from List of Los Angeles Lakers first and second round draft picks. For next time, you should attribute the revision and author in the edit summary, per WP:REUSE (or my interpretation of it -- and it doesn't hurt to do it just in case.) DONE!
  • "The franchise got its official name from Minnesota's nickname, Land of 10,000 Lakes." Why? Explain why a team in the most south-western state of America takes its nickname from one of the most nothern. DONE!

Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 06:34, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment—The lead section is the bare minimum. Please read MOS on dashes, carefully. Not a single pic? It doesn't have to have one, but I'm surprised that there are none to be found. DONE! TONY (talk) 09:16, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Shouldn't the tables be sortable? Do we really need to colour code it (its quite unsightly)? Further, colour-coding on the basis of Hall of Fame seems to classify the coaches in a POV way: the guys in orange are better than the ones that aren't. Just the * and † should be enough. DONE! indopug (talk) 11:38, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments
    • WP:DASH again - in the image caption - in fact, it'd probably be just as well to write "to" rather than use the en-dash here. DONE!
    • Put (NBA) after National Basketball Association. DONE!
    • "formally known" do you really mean formally or do you mean "formerly"? That's a question, not a criticism by the way! DONE!
    • First para of lead is too choppy for me, the prose needs work, in particular "The franchise got its official name from Minnesota's nickname, Land of 10,000 Lakes because at the time the name was revealed, the Lakers were in Minneapolis" DONE!
    • Also, why link franchise on the second instance? DONE!
    • Why is the Key in smaller text? DONE!
    • "Games Coached"->"Games coached" DONE!
    • Remove the spaces between the W and the hyphen and the L and replace the hyphen with an en dash. DONE!
  • >No need to relink coaches in the table after their first linkage (e.g. Kundla). DONE!
    • Why are Awards in bold? DONE!
    • See WP:DASH for the records, e.g. "380 - 240" should be "380–240", also for the years, so "1948 - 1958" should be "1948–58" etc. DONE!
    • Be consistent with leading zeros on the percentages - either all or none. DONE!
    • Add a bullet point before the only general ref. DONE!
    • Ref 2 needs accessdate etc. DONE!
    • Ref 3 needs isbn if available. DONE!
    • Is there a "Category:Basketball lists" or similar to which this can be added? DONE!

The Rambling Man (talk) 07:24, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      • Thanks for commenting on this featured list candidate, The Rambling Man. (Annoyomous24) (talk) 20:51, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nominator: please don't strike out reviewers' comments; let them do that. The lead is a little better (not great), but two things:
    • Read MOS on unspaced en dashes; all of the en dashes I see should be unspaced. That might help the next issue a little, too. DONE!
    • Column-width management; seriously bad effect in some columns (W–L, etc), Can you take up more horizontal space (there aren't even side pics to stop you). Try "Ref." in the last column to save space there. Once these two things are done, I'm OK. DONE! TONY (talk) 04:17, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 22:00, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please DO NOT strike out reviewers' comments, as you have been asked/reverted a number of times. Put "done,  Done, or something similar to show you have addressed each comment, as requested by the instructions at WP:FLC. It is really hard to know whether what you have sticken is because they're done or because you've ignored them, and reviewers often read previous revewers' comments to avoid repetition. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 22:00, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • First of all, I read somewhere to not put the  Done template do represent the request being done as it will slow down the loading of the page. Second of all, Crzycheetah striked out some of the requests that were finished so I thought striking out represents being done. Third of all, I was never asked to not strike out the request. (Annoyomous24) (talk) 22:07, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
{{done}} shouldn't be used at WP:FAC or WP:PR, and that is one of the rules of nomination at those two places. Here, though, it's not disallowed. I noticed Tony1 has also requested that comments not be stricken out, above. I don't believe CrzyCheetah has stricken anything here. The history doesn't have his name listed. Anyway, it's all good now. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 22:20, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
For the second and third sentence I wrote above your previous one, I meant the featured list candidate for List of Los Angeles Lakers first and second round draft picks. Sorry for my confusion since I sometimes forget which one I'm on. Annoyomous24 (talk) 22:37, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I also dont see Tony1 asking me not to strike out. Annoyomous24 (talk) 22:47, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You don't see Tony1's comments regarding striking out because you undid them. I have struck my comments that I thought were resolved. I will never strike your or someone else's comments.--Crzycheetah 06:43, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I see it now. Crzycheetah, I never undid them, I just didn't see it since I was scanning the page. Annoyomous24 (talk) 20:12, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Crzycheetah 06:01, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments
    • The lead is too short, especially the first paragraph. DONE!
    • Why do you pipe-link the "Dynasty" page as "franchise"? DONE!
    • "franchise got its official name" - I don't think got is the right verb here. DONE!
    • I disagree with the above reviewer, I believe that HoF and tenure should be color-coded as well. Not to be indicated by those weird symbols only. DONE!
    • Citation #5 should be note [a]. DONE!
    • Some other general reference should be added to check the basketball-reference.com. We should not rely on one source.
    • What new info did you take from the refs in the "refs" column that you could not take from the general reference?
    • PLEASE, do not strike out or undo any of my comments. Thanks!

--Crzycheetah 06:43, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I took the year of when they won a Championship and checked if they coached for another team from the refs in the "refs" column that you could not take from the general reference. Annoyomous24 (talk) 20:08, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why are the term years unlinked? DONE!
  • Basketball-reference.com still remains the only reference for this list. There should be more than one. DONE!
  • Why do you need to know if they coached another team? Thankfully, you didn't add that info to this page, but still why did you provide those refs?

--Crzycheetah 23:28, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Because some of the coaches spent their entire coaching careers with the Lakers and on the list, it denotes it. Annoyomous24 (talk) 23:54, 03 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The only thing I don't understand is the last part in the lead: have all played and head coached for the Lakers. I never knew that "head coach" may be used as a verb. I suggest reword that part better.--Crzycheetah 06:01, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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