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The list was not promoted by PresN 20:48, 23 September 2015 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of Marvel Cinematic Universe television series[edit]

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Nominator(s): Favre1fan93 (talk) and Adamstom.97 (talk) 17:58, 17 July 2015 (UTC) [reply]

This list meets all of the criteria, is similar to its "sister" article List of Marvel Cinematic Universe films (which is a featured list), and is a worthy candidate to add to the ever expanding good and featured articles under the Marvel Cinematic Universe banner. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:58, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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  • "One-Shot", capitalised and blue-linked as part of something that doesn't explain what it means (although it can be inferred) is probably worth avoiding. Perhaps "pilot film", or a link to Marvel One-Shots would be better.
  •  Done. Broke up the link.
  • "because S.H.I.E.L.D. is so strong on the moment" -> If this is how the source words it, we could do with a [sic] after "on" since it really should be "at the moment".
  •  Done. This is how the source words it, so added sic.
  • Your descriptions of the shows should probably begin with an introduction of some sort to signify they're "in universe", since there's no heading to indicate a difference between describing plot and describing production. Something like changing "Agent Phil Coulson puts together a small team of S.H.I.E.L.D. agents to handle strange new cases" to "Agents of SHIELD sees agent Phil Coulson putting together a small team of S.H.I.E.L.D. agents to handle strange new cases" would suffice.
  • This is following a similar format from the sister films list, and I don't believe there has been an issue distinguishing the in-universe from the real world info. I'll ping the other creator to see what they feel. @Adamstom.97:
  • That's fair enough. It's not of vital importance either way. GRAPPLE X 10:25, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Similarly, there's a fair bit of assumption that the reader knows plot information already--a quick aside at the first in-universe mention of things like SHIELD, Hydra, etc to explain what they are would be useful.
  • These uses are meant to be quick overviews of each series and appearances in them. It is meant to push the reader to the actual articles for the show to gain more info on things read here.
  • I get that it's not wise to be bogged down in too much detail but it helps to be self-contained to a degree, or you do end up with the impression of jargon. It could be worth seeing if a reviewer unfamiliar with the concepts would struggle or be happy enough with it. GRAPPLE X 10:25, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • They seem manageable for now but I can see the recurring cast tables growing quite unwieldy with the addition of even one or two more series/seasons; while it is a good idea to show the cast/character crossovers, it might be worth considering how to handle this as it evolves.
  • That bridge will be crossed when we get there, but yes, it is something we have our eye on.
  • DVR could use a pipe link to explain it, as it's not a universal or international term.
  •  Done.
  • The "critical response" table is presented without any context. Throw in a quick sentence or two under the header, before the table, explaining the role of Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes.
  • I added a hat note under "reception". I don't feel Metacritic or Rotten Tomatoes need a sentence explaining them, when they are wikilinked, and readers can follow that to see what each site is.
  • There's no alt text for any images, this is needed.
  •  Done.
  • On the subject of images, we have several free files used throughout the article, which lessens the justification for a non-free files in the lead (especially when the Marvel logo is apparently PD).
  • How so?
  • WP:NFCC #1 requires that there is "no free equivalent"; the file as it stands is just window dressing, it doesn't actually serve the purpose of demonstration, explanation or commentary--and in that role we do have free equivalents, as the logo of the company responsible, or portraits of several of the cast members, would serve the same purpose.GRAPPLE X 10:25, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd argue that no free alternative exists to represent these series. The Marvel logo is too generic, and cast members are not good images to use for this article. They are used at List of Marvel Cinematic Universe television series actors, where it is more applicable. The current image is not the best overall encompassing image (as it excludes the Netflix series), but it is the best alternative. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:27, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • But it is still just decorative, however. It might be the most appropriate decoration, but this isn't what fair use permits. GRAPPLE X 08:31, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm just in the office for now so I haven't been able to do a source review or anything, but I can come back to this again at home to look into it further. GRAPPLE X 08:20, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've added responses to your queries above. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:35, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have some comments on the newer additions:
  • If the article is simply "Luke Cage (TV series)", why is it piped each time as "Marvel's Luke Cage"?
  • The Luke Cage heading has another one-line paragraph, as do many of the others. Expand these or merge them into the next paragraph--it's okay to have a one-paragraph heading if the heading break makes sense, as it does here.
  • There are a lot of duplicate links in prose--in tables that's fine, same with image captions or the like, but both the lead and the body feature multiple instances of some links. Try using User:Ucucha/duplinks to catch these.
  • GRAPPLE X 08:31, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • That is the official title of each series, Marvel's X. For each series, it is noted in the lead, table and section as the "official" title. All other uses use the common name of the series title without Marvel's in front of it.
  • The one-line paragraphs are following the format established by the List of Marvel Cinematic Universe films page, which I explain in more detail with reasoning below in my comments to The Rambling Man, fourth bullet point from the bottom.
  • I've taken care of the overlinks.
  • - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:36, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 17:01, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "While the broadcast series have not seen exemplary ratings, all MCU series have received strong critical reception." seems like a POV thing to say, as if we'd somehow expect them to be brilliant, but some just don't quite make it.
  • "began considering expanding" grim English.
  • "Marvel was once again developing" again, a little tabloidy for me, perhaps rephrase?
  • I mean, that's what they were doing. I don't think it's tabloidy. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:21, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Bobbi Morse pipes to a dab.
  • "ABC series" table is selectively inline referenced, why?
  • Only upcoming elements are sourced. Everything else is covered by the series themselves, as the primary source, per WP:V. Since the episode count and start and end date are not material that will likely be challenged, because the series themselves support these, there is no need for the references. This is a standard practice among the TV (and frankly Film) project. - Favre1fan93 (talk)
  • Netflix series has "2015" as a streaming date, can we not get that more specific considering we're now nearly 3/4 of the way through 2015?
  • Nope. That's all we have for Jessica Jones. We only know that it will release in late 2015 (Q4), but general practice in situations like this is just to include the year until a specific month and date can be included as well. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:21, 28 August 2015 (UTC) I take back what I said. I forgot wording had been used for Agent Carter season 2 that was a bit more specific, so I have changed the JJ release info to reflect the known info. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:36, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Avoid single-sentence paragraphs, such as you have with each of the Netflix series synopses.
  • Paragraph breakdown for each of the series is as follows 1) The premise for each of the seasons. If only one season so far, it will only be one sentence. 2) Any production info relevant to the series. Showrunners, castings of leads, filming, and the title. 3/4) Connections the series makes to other MCU media, be it other TV series, films or One-Shots. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:21, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't understand what "3.0/9 (20)" means.
  • Explained in the column heading, will more in depth explanation through the Nielsen ratings wikilink. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:21, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Avoid SHOUTING in the ref titles, e.g. ref 84.
  • Zap2it doesn't have a capital I.

The Rambling Man (talk) 21:04, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: I have responded above. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:21, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man and Grapple X: Any outstanding issues for either of you? (Do note, since you've both last commented, some more info has been added to the page, if you'd like to check that.) - Favre1fan93 (talk) 22:45, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delegate note - this nomination has been open for two months without any supports; before I close it let me do one last ping to see if the reviewers will return to support- @The Rambling Man and Grapple X: are you willing to support this list? --PresN 14:59, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm leaning more to support than oppose; still not super keen on the one-line paragraphs (I see the explanation, I don't agree that it can't be reworked until being expanded in future) or the non-free decorative image, but if Rambler wants to support then count me as another support. GRAPPLE X 15:09, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I'm sorry, but this nomination has been here for 2 months without any supports, only one half-support, so I'm going to have to close it as not passed. Feel free to re-nominate it in the future. --PresN 20:46, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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