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The list was promoted by User:Matthewedwards 05:16, 4 January 2009 [1].

List of Montreal Canadiens head coaches[edit]

-- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 01:46, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from SRX

Comments

  • Officially known as Le Club de Hockey Canadien,[1] the Montreal Canadiens (French: Les Canadiens de Montréal) are an Canadian professional ice hockey team based in Montreal, Quebec. - I'm guessing the an is because of the type of English they use, right?
  • ...in 1976-77 and 1988-89 respectively. - why not link to the seasons?
  • Because wikilinking them will maybe confuse the readers. I really don't know how it is confusing, but if I'm correct, there was a discussion about this on WT:MOS. I don't know where though... -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 22:18, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dandurand is the only coach to have spent his entire NHL head coaching career with the Canadiens, and have been elected to the Hockey Hall of Fame as a builder. - I thought there were nine that were spent their entire careers with the Canadiens. If you mean that they have spent their entire careers with the Canadiens and to have been elected to the HoF, then maybe adding a too before have might tweak it a bit.
Dandurand did both: spending his entire NHL head coaching career with the Canadiens and to have been elected into the Hockey Hall of Fame. I removed the comma before and, hope that clears thing up. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 22:18, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the footnotes, instead of having to reference to it over 6 times, use the {{ref}} and {{note}} templates, they work better in this case.
Didn't I already do that with the {{ref label}} and {{note label}} template? -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 22:18, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

--SRX 16:24, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind, I don't know what I was thinking. D'oh.--SRX 01:18, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Support - problems fixed, meets WP:WIAFL.--SRX 01:18, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Resolved comments from KV5
Comments from Killervogel5
  • "The Canadiens are owned by George N. Gillett Jr., former head coach of the Canadiens,"→"Canadiens;"
I think I did it right... -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 22:18, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Though Dick Irvin has coached the team for 15 seasons, Toe Blake, who has coached for 13 seasons," - keeping "has" in there makes it sound like they are all still coaching. Consider "Though Dick Irvin coached the team for 15 seasons, Toe Blake, who coached for 13 seasons,"
Copied your re-phrasing. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 22:18, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Blake also has the most Stanley Cup championships"→"has won"
DONE -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 22:18, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "in 1976-77 and 1988-89 respectively"→use en-dashes in year ranges.
DONE -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 22:18, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hope this helps. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 18:38, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • "The team's first head coach was Newsy Lalonde, who has coached the Canadiens for eight NHL seasons, in two stints." - remove "has" again. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 22:47, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
DONE -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 23:02, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support from KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!

  • Support: Had a few issues with the grammar in the prose and captions, but I went through and did a minor grammar copyedit and it looks good to go! – Nurmsook! talk... 08:51, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Kaiser matias
  • Comment I've got to bring up the inevitable discussion about when to start the Canadiens coaching list, whether 1909 or 1917. Now in the lead, it makes several mentions to the team being founded in 1909, including winning the 1916 Stanley Cup. However, the list only includes the Canadiens from 1917, when they joined the NHL. I would go ahead and include the NHA coaches in this list. After all, they are included in the NHL Record Book for the Canadiens, the only team that includes pre-NHL anything. Information is available in regards to the coaches, and it was a vital part of the team's history, and should be included. Kaiser matias (talk) 17:20, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I really don't know about actually putting the NHA seasons because of the lack of sources for the playoffs. The only source I know that covers the regular season is [2]. The playoffs will be hard to find. -- signed by SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 spell my name backwards on 23:05, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Also, you're welcome for the barnstar! -- signed by SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 spell my name backwards on 23:06, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment While I'll be busy the next few days due to the time of year, I probably have enough references to cover the NHA Canadiens' coaches. It's probably not going to be in time for the nomination, but so be it. And thanks for the award, I appreciated it.
One more comment. The NHL Record Book, as well as the Montreal Canadiens article, lists Babe Siebert as a coach, even though he died before coaching a game. Since he was officially appointed as a coach, and is recognised as such, he should be included, with a note mentioning he drowned prior to coaching a game, similar to what the Record Book does. Kaiser matias (talk) 00:00, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Thanks for noticing that. -- signed by SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 spell my name backwards on 01:40, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments:

  • I went ahead and have figured out the coaching record of the NHL Canadiens. I'll go and add them in the next few days, after finding references for it. However this leads to something. In the NHA and early NHL, the playoffs were a total goals series, not the best of format used now. A note should probably be made to that degree for coaches of that era, as it makes a huge difference.
It is a difference, but it won't effect the list. I already knew that the playoffs system were by goals before the 1930s. -- signed by SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 spell my name backwards at 03:24, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • On the subject of NHA coaches, the issue of how to add them to the list comes up. Now I would personally say have a running total of all coaches, NHA and NHL, then have seperate running totals for the NHA and NHL coaches. For example, Guy Carbonneau is the 25th coach of the Canadiens in the NHL, but the 28th total coach of the team. Maybe break up Newsy Lalonde's totals, since he coached in both the NHA and NHL. Again, I'll go and add it myself within a few days, to give an idea of what I'm tryig to convey.
The total will be including both the NHA and the NHL, which is of course 28 according to your references.
Kaiser matias (talk) 03:19, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support As the NHA totals are not of dire importance, and it's stated as not being part of the article, it can wait until proper references can be obtained. Kaiser matias (talk) 00:06, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support Good job, almost all the issues were pointed out by reviewers (and subsequently addressed) before I could get to this article! Dabomb87 (talk) 00:57, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually there is one thing, could you add the ISBN for the book? Dabomb87 (talk) 00:58, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I found the source for the ISBN, but I don't know which one, ISBN-10, or ISBN-13? [3]
ISBN-10 (including the "X" at the end). Dabomb87 (talk) 01:57, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
DONE -- signed by SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 spell my name backwards on 02:17, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:32, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support, although I have one minor concern: Is the asterisk, dagger, and double dagger really necessary in the key? The list is already color coded, the extra symbols just look redundant. Tavix (talk) 07:09, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
According to WP:MOS, yes. -- signed by SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 spell my name backwards at 07:48, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The symbols are for those who have sight disabilities. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:55, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Excellent list. I do have two comments, but neither is significant enough to withold support. In the sentence that begins "Alhough Dick Irvin coached the team for 15 seasons, Toe Blake, who coached two less seasons," should "two less seasons" actually read "two fewer seasons"? I'm actually not sure of the correct grammar myself here, or if maybe both are fine. Also, I would prefer to see a section showing the overall Canadiens coaching records of coaches with multiple stints (e.g., List of San Francisco Giants managers), but I don't think that is required to attain FL status. Rlendog (talk) 18:21, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed the sentence. Also, the readers can easily sort the name column and then add the numbers up if some managers have multiple stints, so it wouldn't really be necessary. -- signed by SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 (spell my name backwards) at 00:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in the bot processing the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{FLC}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 06:02, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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