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List of Nanjing Metro stations[edit]

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Nominator(s): haha169 (talk) 09:50, 26 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello fellow Wikipedians, I am putting forward this list as a potential FL. I've been working on it since late last year, and I believe it fits the FL criteria. I look forward to reading your comments and suggestions on how to improve the article if you disagree. Thanks to all reviewers in advance! haha169 (talk) 09:50, 26 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • Looks great, well written article. I made some tweaks to the wording of the lead.
  • There is an issue with station number. The list has 126 stations but the lead says 139. This discrepancy should be fixed. Also since this article is about stations themselves, we should not count one station multiple times for each line that goes through it. Maybe this is the root of the discrepancy?
  • Under lines, start date should be opening date. Grand Total should just be Total.
  • The lines table should only include lines actually constructed (or only the parts that are constructed), and totals adjusted for accordingly.
  • Again in the stations section, we should not double or triple count transfer stations, since this is a list of physical stations.
  • The list sorts by line image a bit weirdly, can this be fixed?
  • No need to include stations in both tables, for example Nanjing South Railway Station is there twice.

Mattximus (talk) 22:17, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Mattximus: Thank you for your comments! I've gone and fixed them thus:
  • Regarding the station count discrepancy, I went and compared this list with the official station list at Nanjing Metro's website, and after confusing myself back and forth with math, I think I've finally figured it out. Without counting interchanges, there are 128 stations -- two were mistakenly left off the list and have been added. Counting interchanges, there are 139. I've changed every instance to reflect 128 stations, although the note mentions the 139 figure.
  • I changed opening date to start date, and grand total to total.
  • I moved the under construction lines table to the under construction section; does this move satisfy your concern?
  • The way I've designed the list to sort is, from top to bottom: interchange stations, L1 stations, L2, L3, L4, L10, LS1, LS9, and alphabetical order within each category. I'm open to new suggestions if this is not intuitive.
  • I've included stations in both tables because not including it in under construction would hide the fact that parts of those stations are currently under construction in order to add platforms for the new line.
Thank you again for your review! I really appreciate it, and it helped me catch an error that I really should have caught before listing this list. Please let me know if my fixes and replies satisfy your concerns! --haha169 (talk) 10:19, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No prob, looking very good. Just a few more little discrepancies. You say the number of stations is 128, which now matches the number of stations in your list, however the next line says "with 105 stations on the system's five urban lines and 25 along its two S-lines" 105+25 = 130? If a station is double counted you can add "and x intermodal stations" or something like that. This occurs twice. Other than that, it's the only problem I can find! I haven't done a source check, but formatting looks in order. Mattximus (talk) 14:05, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Mattximus: There's a note after each instance that leads to this sentence: "Discrepancies between these figures are explained by interchange stations. If interchange stations are counted once for each station line they serve, there would be 114 urban line stations, 25 S-line stations, and 139 total stations.". --haha169 (talk) 00:16, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Thanks for satisfying all my questions, as long as source review passes, this is a great list! Mattximus (talk) 01:37, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for your very thorough and thoughtful review! It means a lot! --haha169 (talk) 04:09, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oops, I just realized that you forgot one of my points. You have strange issues on sorting by line number, I suspect is has something to do with the use of "data-sort-value=" as it is only the interchange stations that are out of order. I see you want to keep the interchanges at the top (I would strongly suggest you just sort by line number, with the interchanges at the top of each line), but if you want your method, at least the interchanges should be in order. Mattximus (talk) 01:35, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm sorry, I don't really understand how you want me to sort the interchange stations. Unfortunately, sorting by line number is messy, not least because of the S-lines, so I came up with the current arrangement, which is to list the interchanges by alphabetical order. Each interchange has at least two lines, so I don't know how I could order by line. Could you please explain your suggestion again? --haha169 (talk) 05:23, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The best would be something like this:
  • 1-2, 1-3, 1-3-S1, 1-10, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2-3, 2-4, 2-10, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, ....

or if you want to keep your way and have the interchanges first, they should be in order

  • 1-2, 1-3, 1-3-S1, 1-10, 2-3, 2-4, 2-10.....

Mattximus (talk) 11:02, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Done, thank you so much for your helpful suggestions! --haha169 (talk) 15:44, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • That is better, I would just switch the order of Gulou and Nanjing South Railway Station, and then it's much more consistent. Mattximus (talk) 00:45, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ah yes, that was a mistake on my part. Fixed it! --haha169 (talk) 04:54, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 23:40, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "later on December 2000" in December.
  • " 21.7 km line" conversions into Imperial units are helpful here, using the {{convert}} template.
  • "5:40 AM" -> "5.40 a.m." per MOS. Etc.
  • Lines table needs conversions.
  • Also needs row and col scopes per MOS:DTT.
  • What's an S-line?
  • "81.00 km" keep same level of precision throughout please.
  • " first operating metro line in the Nanjing Metro system" is first "metro" necessary?
  • "here are a total of 177 km " is a total.
  • Are the CRH symbols used in the key accessible?
  • How does Lines col sort?

The Rambling Man (talk) 03:04, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: Thank you for your helpful comments! I think I've taken care of most of your concerns, but do let me know if I've missed anything!
Regarding the accessibility of the CRH icons; i'm not sure. They have alt texts and are incorporated in in the rint template. Would it be better for me to use a black version of the CRH icon? As for the lines col, they sort by: interchange, L1, L2....S1, S9. Per Mattximus's suggestion above, the interchange segment is sorted 1-2, 1-3, 1-4, 2-3... Is there perhaps a more intuitive method? --haha169 (talk) 04:35, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Re: the sorting, then I would expect the 1's to sort first before the 1-2, 1-3 etc. The Rambling Man (talk) 04:37, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
My only concern with that is breaking up the interchange section is also a cause for confusion. For example, Gulou station is an interchange for both Lines 1 and 4. In your proposed arrangement, Gulou would appear alongside the other Line 1 stations but not alongside the other Line 4 stations further down the list. So I simply lumped all of the transfers together at the top. --haha169 (talk) 06:41, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, that remains an "unexpected sort outcome" to me, so perhaps a footnote to the table is required for readers to understand your methodology here. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:52, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Since two reviewers have brought up the sorting issues, I've just decided to change the sort order! --haha169 (talk) 22:02, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, the sort order is much better now. Mattximus (talk) 02:01, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 22:03, 16 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • "and one (Lukou International Airport Station) serve the city's international airport." Shouldn't "serve" be plural here?
  • Lines: "that same year, groundbreaking work for Line 3 began, which opened in 2015 with 29 stations." For better ordering in this sentence, try moving "began" to after "work"; this will place "which opened" directly after Line 3, which is what it refers to.
  • Note d: "a" is needed before "separate underground platform". Even if it's just a note, let's make sure the grammar is on point.
  • References 1, 21, and 27 are missing a publisher.
  • Any reference that is from a newspaper should have its publisher italicized (switch the publisher= parameter of the templates to work=). At a glance, I see refs 2 and 22 are from the People's Daily and need the italics for the paper's name. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:33, 4 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Giants2008:, thank you for your review! Just a heads up, I am about to lose access to the internet for a few days, but next Monday I will be able to get to your comments. Thank you again for your help! --haha169 (talk) 02:39, 5 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Giants2008:, hopefully I have fixed your concerns! Thank you for your review :) --haha169 (talk) 01:10, 8 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I still don't see publishers for refs 1 and 21. It looks like ref 1 is also from the People's Daily, while I can't tell at a glance who 21 is from. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:18, 9 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 1 is People's Daily, and I've changed the Chinese name to English (not sure why it was in Chinese). Ref 21 is published by Nanjing Leju News, which is a republisher akin to Yahoo News. The original source is apparently Xiandai Kuaibao, but no link is offered. I've added the publisher as Leju News for now. --haha169 (talk) 02:59, 10 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – All of my comments have been resolved and I think this meets FL standards. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:03, 16 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Promoting. --PresN 15:50, 18 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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