Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of North Carolina hurricanes (2000–present)/archive2

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Giants2008 15:25, 27 April 2010 [1].

List of North Carolina hurricanes (2000–present)[edit]

Nominator(s): –Juliancolton | ^Talk 02:32, 1 April 2010 (UTC), User:Hurricanehink[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because, according to an FL director, the previous nomination failed due to a lack of comments. This list needs to be featured in order to save an existing featured topic for demotion (which was supposed to have happened a week ago). Cheers, –Juliancolton | ^Talk 02:32, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As primary writer, I'll gladly co-nom. I checked over it, and I fully agree that it should be a featured list. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:19, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - should the article be written in past tense? And no offense to the kid or his family, but is "Rip currents from Tropical Storm Danny result in the death of a 12 year-old boy" really important enough to include here? —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 19:28, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

All similar articles use present-tense, and although there really hasn't been any major discussion on the issue, consistency is good. Also, if source-able, all storm-related deaths should be included. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 00:35, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I was the original author, and the reason I had it in present tense (and not past) was because it was a chronology. For storms in a single year, the past is fixed, but in this case, it's not so much about a single fixed date, but rather all the different storms that affected the state. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:19, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My thought is that the entire subject of the article is in the past, so it should use past tense. To reply to HH below, my concern is specific to this article and others. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 02:45, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Don't most timelines use present-tense? –Juliancolton | ^Talk 13:16, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, List of Byzantine emperors doesn't... Either way, I feel like present tense sounds awkward at times. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 02:42, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please point out a few examples? Maybe the wording can be improved. Check this, though. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 11:54, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really have examples, it just reads oddly (to me) in present tense. However, I'm probably insane and/or in the minority. :-) Consider this concern dropped. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 21:04, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Jujutacular ^T · C 19:05, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment from Jujutacular (talk · contribs)

As in the previous nomination, I believe this sentence should be fixed: "The first storm to impact the state during the period was Hurricane Florence in September 2000, and the most recent is Hurricane Ida in 2009". Past tense should be consistent: "the most recent was Hurricane Ida...". I'm asking Hurricanehink and Ed to comment. As before, I will support if consensus is against me. Jujutacular ^T · C 01:44, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Yea, I agreed with you and made the change. Or, I agree with you and make the change. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:48, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Hmmm, you actually made it all present tense. I think it should be all past tense. Jujutacular ^T · C 01:54, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Well, that's a larger semantic discussion of which this list is only a part of. As JC noted, the list is following the same format for the other similar hurricane lists (particularly the North Carolina hurricane lists prior to 2000). Is there anything specific to this article, and not related to other articles, that you can comment on? --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:10, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - I'm not sure I understand. The lead at List of North Carolina hurricanes (1980–1999) is all in past tense. To me, "The first storm to impact the state during the period is Hurricane Florence in September 2000, and the most recent is Hurricane Ida in 2009" makes no grammatical sense. Jujutacular ^T · C 02:14, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - Clarification The list being in the present tense looks fine to me, I agree with it. I'm just concerned with that one present tense sentence in the lead. Jujutacular ^T · C 02:17, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support Jujutacular ^T · C 19:05, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:49, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

"The state borders South Carolina and Georgia to the south, Tennessee to the west and Virginia to the north." This sentence seems to detailed for the scope of this list.
Surprised to see no summary of storms by category, or at least a mention of the Saffir–Simpson Hurricane Scale.
"12 year-old boy"-->12-year-old boy
The navbox in the see also section should go at the bottom of the page (above the categories) per WP:LAYOUT. Dabomb87 (talk) 19:09, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed everything, hopefully satisfactorily, with help from Jason Rees (talk · contribs). –Juliancolton | ^Talk 16:12, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 15:14, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

What's USGS (used in the caption without explanation)?
"17.5 percent" just a query really, why not %?
The subsectioning appears abitrary, I guess you're doing it to carve them up roughly equally in size?
"enter the state as a subtropical depression and drops over" singular to plural here for me, perhaps just "drop over".
"in 9 indirect" after the semi-colon, I would expect this to be "nine".
I guess the accuracy of your rainfalls etc is driven by the sources. It seems a little odd to see "8.31 inches (211mm)" and "10 inches (250mm)" to me, that's all. If it is driven by the sources, perhaps a general note would be useful. Are you using the convert template to ensure consistent conversion (10 inches=254 mm where I'm from...)

This has been a bit of a an issue for a while within tropical cyclone articles. Generally, exact amounts are given exact conversions, while general estimates (10 in) are given rounded conversions to avoid the perception of precision (if that makes sense?) –Juliancolton | ^Talk 13:40, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I suspected you'd say that, but you have "up to 17 inches (432 mm)" which is an accurate prcision (i.e. 1 inch=2.54mm)... I'm not trying to be difficult (although I can see that I probably am!) but all I'm after is internal consistency. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:50, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Actually, Ivan is actually 17.00 inches, surprisingly! Hence the exact 432 mm, which I clarified in the article. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:52, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"kills 8 people in the state,[23] and causes severe flooding just 9 days" eight, nine.
"of less duration" shorter in duration.
Similarly to above, 3 inches is 76mm for me.
En-dashes for year ranges in the references please.
Don't mix date formats in the references.

The Rambling Man (talk) 12:24, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done with everything else I think. Thanks for the comments. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 13:40, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support The Rambling Man (talk) 09:44, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Ive been reading this article bit by bit over the last couple of weeks and i think its FL worthy.Jason Rees (talk) 02:07, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments:

Can tables be made sortable?
I'll see if I can work on this. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 20:17, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 12:39, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Since Isabel was the strongest strom, I think the article would benefit from an image of it. For instance File:Hurricane_Isabel_18_sept_2003_1555Z.jpg or File:Hurricane_Isabel_NC_landfall_radar.jpg. The image should go to the leading section, with the current image moved to 2003-2004 section.
Well, the lead already has an image of damage from Isabel, which is more relevant than a satellite/radar shot I think. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 20:17, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As an extratropical cyclone Tropical Storm Barry This sounds like an oxymoron. This actually was an extratropical cyclone, which in the past was a storm. So a better choice of words is "Tropical Storm Barry, which by 7 May tuned into an extratropical cyclone, crosses".
Good point, fixed. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 20:17, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
~~The same with The precursor cyclone to Subtropical Storm Andrea produces .... Any storm is a cyclone. Why not to say simply "The precursor to Subtropical Storm Andrea produces ..."?~~
Nice catch. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 20:17, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ruslik_Zero 15:58, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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