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The list was not promoted by Dabomb87 17:23, 16 January 2010 [1].

List of Saw media[edit]

Nominator(s): —User:GroundZ3R0 002c/t 23:37, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating List of Saw media as per the new featured list criteria and that I based the article formatting and style off of List of Metal Gear media, another featured list with similar multimedia scope. GroundZ3R0 002 (talk) 23:29, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 14:17, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • On the first use of Lions Gate, I'd use the full title we have here on Wikipedia, i.e. Lions Gate Entertainment.
  • Image needs alt text.
  • That caption - shouldn't "mediums" be "media" per the list title?
  • "Saw, while starting as a film series, Saw has evolved to encompass..." - read that again...!
  • "and other unique forms such as a roller coaster " - is this really unique to Saw? Can you prove it?
  • "adding in international sales and revenue" - adding in -> including?
  • "This is comprised of over 28 million.." -> "This comprises over 28 million..."
  • "The series debuted in 2004 with Saw, the first film was met with much financial success[3], which allowed a sequel, Saw II...":
    • Full stop after Saw and then capital The if you keep it phrased this way.
    • Move the ref behind the comma.
    • At the time, it was the sequel, not "a" sequel.
    • You say "exactly" a year later but you've only specified 2004 in the text...
  • "were all released a year after the previous film, with each being released in theaters" - released x2 repetitive.
  • The lead focuses almost entirely on the films - you should discuss in a bit more detail the other media.
How should I do that? It seems fairly balanced but I'm not entirely sure how I would fix it. GroundZ3R0 002 (talk) 22:08, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
On reflection, it's not too bad. I wouldn't worry too much. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:08, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • " Future products and follow-ups to current products are in production, possibly to release with future Saw films." - sounds like WP:CRYSTAL to me, especially without a citation.
  • Check for spaced hyphens here where either unspaced en-dashes or spaced em-dashes (per WP:DASH) should be used.
I have no idea how this fits into this article, could you explain this to me? GroundZ3R0 002 (talk) 22:14, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If you check the information on releases, you get "October 29, 2004 - Theatrical release" (a hyphen) and "October 18, 2005 – Uncut Edition DVD[9]" (an en-dash). At the very least you need to be consistent, and if you check WP:DASH, you'll see how our MOS recommends you use dashes/hyphens etc. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:08, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Okay I changed everything to spaced em dashes (—), is this better? GroundZ3R0 002 (talk) 00:26, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "$87 million USD[13]" - why not link $ to USD and remove USD altogether?
  • October 07->October 7.
  • Is "Roller Coaster" really capitalised like that?
I capitalized every media piece including "Comic Book, Video Game, and Internet Browser Game", so should all of these be changed? If so, how? GroundZ3R0 002 (talk) 21:32, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, generally only proper nouns get capitalized. That means "video game" instead of "Video Game", for example (the last one would be "Internet browser game", Internet is a proper noun and always gets capitalized. TJ Spyke 22:31, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think you need to link just about every word in "Live action horror maze".
Would live action horror maze work? GroundZ3R0 002 (talk) 21:32, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's just a little confusing - a number of blue links in a row... The Rambling Man (talk) 10:08, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • " etc." - never keen on this, especially in an encyclopedic article.
  • 1:18:07 vs 01:04:32 - be consistent with leading zeros.
  • And then you have 64:01 which is actually 1:04:01... be consistent with the format.
  • What does "variable" mean in the duration?
The song, Hello Zepp, has multiple mixes that are all different lengths which makes the length undefined or "variable" unless we can decide that the very first mix is the one that counts for this in which case it would be 2:57. GroundZ3R0 002 (talk) 21:32, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps a note then? The Rambling Man (talk) 10:08, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I wrote it as a reference. Check ref 50(or somewhere near there), is this good? GroundZ3R0 002 (talk) 23:24, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't mix date formats in the references.
  • Look out for the (MOS) incorrect use of hyphens in the reference titles.
Please explain I'm not sure what you are getting at. GroundZ3R0 002 (talk) 21:32, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"Saw V (2008) - Movie Details" for instance. Again, read WP:DASH for how this should be formatted. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:08, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 9 has an odd ].
  • Not sure you need so many external links. Since this is about the series as a whole, I also don't think you need specific series links either.

The Rambling Man (talk) 14:19, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]


  • Comment - Does this list violates criterion 3b? It seems to me that this list can logically be merged to Saw (franchise).—Chris!c/t 02:21, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think merging it would create a monster. The franchise article is large as it is, without adding in all of this detail. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:08, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Ok, I tend to agree. I think that the Saw franchise will continue in the future, so the main article will probably be even longer.—Chris!c/t 22:30, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, even as it is now it's pretty lengthy and there is simply too many media pieces to conveniently mention everything. As of now, the major media pieces have mentions on the franchise page and it is labeled with the "Main article: List of Saw media" tag, plenty sufficient. GroundZ3R0 002 (talk) 23:01, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect to Wikipedia's policy, I think an exception could be made for this since it is the only source available for the comic, other than YouTube (the Animated Comic was uploaded on YouTube). I mean we know the comic exist, that's verified. It contradicting the Saw IV storyline, that's also verified. I think the author added IMDb because Wikipedia requires sources for verification. I don't know what else could be added in place of IMDb, nothing? --Mike Allen talk · contribs 04:32, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Update: Ok I added the official Saw; Rebirth site (via archive.com) I hope that is good enough? --Mike Allen talk · contribs 04:49, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Quick comments –
  • I was about to ask you why the VH1 reality show wasn't included, but just saw it under other films. My question then becomes why this isn't listed among other media instead. This is the format used in List of The Legend of Zelda media.
  • "Saw has evolved to encompass numerous media forms including video games, comics, as well as mazes and a roller coaster." In a case where there are only two elements before "as well as", I would go with "video games and comics", eliminating a comma.
  • Capitalize friday in the second paragraph?
  • "as well as a seventh film, entitled Saw VII." This is the second time this film is mentioned in the lead. Perhaps try "as well as Saw VII"? Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:43, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done all of these. GroundZ3R0 002 (talk) 01:25, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I believe that have is the correct word tense as there are multiple films. GroundZ3R0 002 (talk) 01:40, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The way this is worded, the success (singular) was the inspiration, not merely the films (plural). Giants2008 (27 and counting) 01:06, 3 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, success=sing, so "has" is correct. The Rambling Man (talk) 01:12, 3 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Okay changed to "has". GroundZ3R0 002 (talk) 19:29, 3 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dabs; please check the disambiguation links identified in the toolbox. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:24, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
fixed—Mike Allen 23:06, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: The problem I have is a possible overlinking of words, such as DVD, Theatrical release, Internet browser game, etc. Or is it acceptable in this format? Mike Allen 03:50, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment In addition to Mike Allen's comment about overlinking, the media types are inconsistently capitalized. For example, I see "Television series" and "Television Series". Dabomb87 (talk) 14:40, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • The only inconsisant caps I noticed was the o television series, which I fixed. Is there any more? As for the overlinking, should each media type only be linked once in the list and once in the lead? GroundZ3R0 002 19:49, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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