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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:26, 14 April 2023 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of Seattle Sounders FC seasons[edit]

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Nominator(s): SounderBruce 08:14, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To celebrate the start of a new MLS season, I have rewritten and reworked the season-by-season summary for my favorite team, Seattle Sounders FC. The table is not formatted similar to recent FLs for Burnley and Fiorentina with some modifications to fit an American team. I believe that the prose lead is a comprehensive overview of the many competitions and tournaments that the Sounders have played in (and mostly won), including the dizzying spell of 6 finals in 7 years from 2016 to 2022. SounderBruce 08:14, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit]

  • I'd be tempted to merge the five paragraphs of the lead into fewer than that
    • Merged down to four by grouping attendance and overall record together.
  • Image caption is not a complete sentence so doesn't need a full stop
    • Fixed.
  • "All four tournaments serve as a qualification tournament" - a bit unwieldy, maybe "All four tournaments serve as qualifiers"....?
    • Fixed.
  • Pretty sure the use of flags against players' names in the table is a MOS:FLAG violation
    • Removed, though they seem to be the norm for other sports articles and lists of this nature.
  • There's multiple Harvard-style refs to something identified as "Major League Soccer (2023)" but there's nothing to indicate what that is
    • Per WP:SFN, it seems the preference is to use the author (in this case MLS) before attempting to use a title; the citations all link back to the Facts and Record Book.
  • Think that's all I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:16, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:47, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Gonzo_fan2007[edit]

  • SounderBruce, any possibility of using the {{Abbr}} template to replace the "Key to league record" and "Key to cup record"? That way the abbreviations in the table are more easily and quickly read by just hovering over them, instead of having to scroll back up a bit to the keys. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 03:20, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Gonzo fan2007: Added them to the column headers, but I don't think they would work well for the results cells. It's awkward to have to hover over when there's a link creating a second (and larger) preview box, and besides that I think most are self-explanatory for the assumed audience, who should be somewhat familiar with the concept of a knockout cup. SounderBruce 17:25, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Could you add "of the same name" after "succeeding an existing second-division team"?
    • Added.
  • "Seattle are one of the most successful clubs in MLS history," any reason you switched to "Seattle"? Earlier and later in the lead you use "Sounders" or "the club". "Seattle are" sounds super clunky. "The Sounders are" sounds a lot better.
    • Fixed. I wanted to go for some variety, but it does look clunky.
  • Same thing as previous, but less pronounced. "has played for Seattle" in the last sentence of the third paragraph. I would just stick with "Sounders" or "the club" throughout the lead.
    • Fixed.
  • The second sentence of the last paragraph (about the playoff record) could use an "{{As of}} statement to keep it up to date.
    • Added.
  • Note a: is this an editorial note, or a restriction that MLS uses for official figures? If the latter, a source should be added to the note to support this.
    • This is an editorial note, as MLS has inconsistencies in their bookkeeping for the 2020 season. There's also playoff and CCL figures that are not included due to the lack of a reliable source like Soccer America.
  • Note f: could you clarify "capacity" as "seating capacity" or some other qualifier.
    • Added.

Honestly, pretty hard to find anything to quibble about. Really nice work SounderBruce. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 20:31, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Gonzo fan2007: Thanks for the review. I've made all of the suggested changes. SounderBruce 20:58, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support, nice work! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:13, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Idio support[edit]

  • I'd just be tempted to remove the 'total' row at the bottom of the list, just because it doesn't work with the 'Other' column and to keep the list similar to that of other FLs such as the Liverpool or Arsenal equivalent. But its totally up to you.
  • Nonetheless, happy to support as its a good list. Idiosincrático (talk) 03:54, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks for the support. I'm in favor of keeping the totals row as those statistics are sometimes used in "all-time" lists published by MLS, so it's not totally out of place for an American list. SounderBruce 07:13, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 13:23, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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