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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 23:56, 3 March 2010 [1].

List of Somerset CCC players with 100 or more first-class or List A appearances[edit]

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Nominator(s): Harrias (talk) 18:24, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it fulfils the Featured List criteria. There are currently no other featured lists for lists of domestic cricket club players to compare this against. Harrias (talk) 18:24, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 01:35, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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  • I assume the blue highlighted rows indicate that the player is still active, but this is not indicated in the key.
  • Done – added to the key.
  • Does the "Nationality" column represent the player's nationality or the national team they represented? If it's the former (as I think it is), I suggest not using the {{cr}} template since it links to a team they are not associated with.
  • Done – changed to the {{flag}} template.
  • Done – added, although I'm rubbish at alt text, so feel free to change or suggest changes to it!
  • The row saying "Statistics correct as of end of 2009 season" sorts with the others. It should stay where it is, right?
  • Done – made unsortable now.

≈ Chamal talk ¤ 12:55, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments, have addressed them all. Harrias (talk) 17:49, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:07, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Caption isn't a complete sentence, so no full stop needed.
  • Done – removed full-stop
  • Not sure about the title. After all, this is now about a list of SCCC players with at least 100 appearances, not "by number of appearances".
  • I agree it isn't an ideal title, but I'm not really sure what else to call it. List of Somerset CCC players already exists and serves its own purpose.
  • And should the title really abbreviate CCC?
  • Maybe it should be written C.C.C. but I see no reason not to abbreviate; see most of Wikipedia:WikiProject Football's featured lists for plenty with the abbreviation F.C. (and even some that are just FC). So I don't see a problem there at all.
  • No, fair enough other than football is a worldwide phenomenon and cricket certainly doesn't reach the parts the other sport does, I just fear for people who aren't sure what CCC means. Perhaps, as a minimum, you could abbreviated County Cricket Club in the lead (CCC) so it's crystal clear? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:58, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The other option would be calling it something like List of Somerset county cricketers but I'm worried about possibly ambiguities in a title like that. And writing it out in full would make it a very long title! I appreciate your point about coverage though.
  • Best option, right now, is to leave it to see if anyone outside of the cricket-savvy reviewers note it. I'm happy with it but having reviewed a billion baseball lists, I know that some naturally assumed terms are way beyond the rest of the world! The Rambling Man (talk) 21:16, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay, will do so for the time being then. Harrias (talk) 21:41, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do SCCC play T20 cricket? Worth a mention even if it's just to say that no-one's made it to 100 apps yet.
  • They do, it's probably worth adding in, I'll have a look at working it in somewhere.
  • Done – added a sentence at the end of the first para. Harrias (talk) 13:27, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Refs don't need to be sortable.
  • Done – good point.
  • Why don't West Indies have flags?
  • The flag has been removed as there isn't a free image. Individual countries (ie Barbados) do have flags that could be used, but generally cricketers nationalities are considered as the national team they do/could play for rather than their actual nationality. It's a troublesome issue!
  • Yeah, we could do with a fix for it!
  • en-dashes should sort as if they were 0, not ahead of numbers.
  • Yes, I know.. any suggestions on getting them to do that?? It doesn't work for me at all.
  • Using a sortkey of 0 for the endashes, and then the relevant total for the rest? Harrias (talk) 21:06, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think so. I did a list recently, the England T20I players, it had some way extravagant sorting, have a look, see if it helps. If not, then ping me and we'll work out the specifics together. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:16, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done – should all sort fine now! Harrias (talk) 21:41, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 19:02, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your critiques, I've addressed a couple directly, and offered opinions on the others. Would appreciate further feedback. Harrias (talk) 20:52, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support although the name of the list still bothers me a little... I'd like to hear what others have to say about it... The Rambling Man (talk) 18:07, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – List looks good to go as far as quality is concerned. As for the title, I'm having trouble finding a similar situation that could offer some precedent. It is unusual to have a seperate list distinct from the overall players' list. "List of Somerset CCC players with 100 or more appearances" is the best alternate I can come up with off the top of my head, but I'm not sure that's an improvement. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 23:09, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I suppose that would be a more descriptive title. I'm not very sure regarding the abbreviation though; CCC is probably not as well known as FC, but adding "county cricket club" to the title would make it ridiculously long, and even more so if we use "100 or more appearances". So I'm in favour of keeping it CCC, though as TRM said it would be better if we had some input from someone who is not familiar with cricketing terms. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 04:40, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The only possible thought I had, and I'm not sure on opinions on it, was to make seperate lists for each format. Ie, List of Somerset County Cricket Club first-class players, another for List of Somerset County Cricket Club List A players, and another for List of Somerset County Cricket Club Twenty20 players, in a similar way we have Test, ODI and T20I lists for national teams. Obviously that would require completely reworking this article, and in terms of the players on the lists I foresee a large redundancy. However, it would mean that Twenty20 would have some stats, which did trouble me with this list, especially as there really isn't horizontal room to expand into for them! Thoughts? Harrias (talk) 17:30, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm here by invitation and not sure I have much useful to add. My problem with the title, which User:Harrias and I briefly discussed before, is that this is really "List of Somerset CCC players with 100 or more first-class or List A appearances in chronological order of first appearance", which is, er, unwieldy. If this did what it says in the title, it'd be ordered by the number of appearances, rather than chronologically and it'd have to specify "first-class" or "List A". Two tables within the one article ordered on this basis might be a way forward, and you could keep the present title. I have to say that I've yet to be convinced that T20 stats have any great meaning for anyone and I'd ignore them for the time being. At some stage in the future when there have been more T20 matches someone will emerge with a Duckworth-Lewis-style intervention that will allow a true measure of prowess which might be based for batsmen on a combination of runs scored/rate of scoring/context of match and, for bowlers, runs conceded/wickets taken/context of match. I'll happily wait till then. Johnlp (talk) 21:55, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I don't mind the list, but if it's going to be named "by appearances" shouldn't the table be sorted by appearances? Staxringold talkcontribs 06:49, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Possibly, but as is alluded to above, the name is through lack of alternatives rather than anything else. Almost all other lists of players is done by debut date, although a few do simply sort alphabetically. Given there is already a List of Somerset CCC players I couldn't use that. The only thing I did think this morning, although it would seem wrong, we could possibly move it to List of Somerset County Cricket Club players. Harrias (talk) 08:55, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • If this isn't going to be sorted by appearances why not be precise with the name and just move this to List of Somerset CCC players with 100 or more appearances? Staxringold talkcontribs 22:26, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, your suggestion this morning would be wrong and would trespass across List of Somerset CCC players which does what it says it does and is useful in its own right. User:Staxringold's (and my) point is that the title suggests the list is in order of number of appearances: if this isn't going to be the case, then "List of Somerset CCC players with 100 or more first-class or List A appearances" is possible. The sortable columns mean people can order them by number of appearances in either FC or LA cricket if they then want to. I've just had an edit clash with Staxringold saying something very similar! There's a consensus building here. Johnlp (talk) 22:41, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speaking as a neutral party, I have to agree that "List of Somerset CCC players by number of appearances" (my emphasis) makes it sound that the the "by number of appearances" sounds as if it relates to the order in which the list is presented rather than the inclusion criteria. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:47, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you don't like adding a prepositional phrase to the end of the article's name, you can use a parenthetical instead: List of Somerset CCC players (100 or more appearances). Dabomb87 (talk) 22:49, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • As I said, I didn't think it was a good idea for a name, but it's always worth voicing the thought just in case! And yes, I've always agreed that the name is an issue, and a better name should be found. I don't want to order the list by appearances, due to the fact it lists both first-class and list a matches, which would it sort by. Sorting by debut date seems to me by far the most logical initial listing, and one that is mirrored in almost every other list of team's players. So I would be looking for another name. I would be happy with List of Somerset CCC players with 100 or more first-class or List A appearances, although any other snappier titles would be appreciated! Harrias (talk) 22:53, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Moved: List of Somerset CCC players with 100 or more first-class or List A appearances. I don't know whether I need to do anything with this nomination to reflect that? Harrias (talk) 21:38, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Never doubted you'd get there in the end! ;-) Johnlp (talk) 22:38, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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