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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 20:31, 29 November 2008 [1].

List of Stewards of the Manor of Northstead[edit]

previous FLC (15:45, 17 September 2008)

  • Corrected everything from the last round; I'm now looking to get it promoted. I've made the names sortable (and an f-load of work that was, too, my wrist is about dead) and the constitutencies/parties; I didn't see the point of sorting the resignation date (since it is in order anyway). Referenced, bluelinked, absolutely complete. Comments? Apologies for my informal stylings, I'm about dead on my feet.Ironholds (talk) 05:14, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Dates should be sortable, as at the moment sortinmg by party (for example) puts them out of order, and they cannot be returned.Yobmod (talk) 11:53, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ahh, good point. I'll do that now, then. Ironholds (talk) 15:32, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Right, done. Anything else? Ironholds (talk) 22:42, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
As far as i can see, the general reference does not give any reasons for resignation. If that is the case, i think they all need to be cited for this to be fearutred - ascribing motives to people without cites is dubious or looks like OR.Yobmod (talk) 08:27, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, I'll get on to that. They come (mainly) from the articles on the MP's themselves, and the facts there aren't necessarily individually cited. I'll have to work on that bit now.
Ja, i'm sure it can all be cited, but is an annoying job. If it takes a while, consider mine a conditional support if that will keep this nomination open longer (condition being citing the reasons as above).Yobmod (talk) 10:00, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That was quick! consider me as a supporter.
One tweek, can the date column be widened so they are all one line? (notes column seems to have enough space to spare).Yobmod (talk) 11:36, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sure. They aren't all actually done yet, btw :P. I'm about 2/3rds through, I'll finish them off when I come back from lectures. Ironholds (talk) 11:41, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Rightyo, done. Ironholds (talk) 15:57, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:47, 23 November 2008 (UTC) [reply]
Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments Weak Oppose from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

  • Many of the inline citations are not formatted and are missing info (publisher, last access date).
  • "Currently the positions of Steward of the Manor of Northstead" Comma after "Currently".
  • "Appointment to an "office of profit under The Crown" disqualifies an individual from sitting as a Member of Parliament (MP)" Add "An" before "Appointment".
  • "In order to circumvent this prohibition, a legal fiction is used."
  • "Most references say that it was first used in this way" What is "it"?
  • "The writ for the electing of a replacement was moved as if Chalmers had been appointed to the Chiltern Hundreds." Unclear.
  • The entire last paragraph of the lead is confusing; I don't understand the "alternation" of the two offices. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:47, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Don't you see that as "stuff to redo" rather than simply "reasons to oppose"? I'll work on it, but saying "here is a list of easily changeable reasons why I'm opposing" seems a bit odd.Ironholds (talk) 16:49, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've done everything except the last para and the refs, which I'll work on. I'm not sure how to phrase the last para better, so maybe if I explain the principle here you can do a better job than I would; the positions are alternated in that if X, Y and Z resign, X will be appointed to the Chiltern Hundreds, Y to Northstead and then Z to the Hundreds. This is designed to allow multiple MP's to resign at once; if X and Y both want to resign at the same time, they are simply given the two different positions. If more than 2 resign at once (as in the case of X, Y and Z) then they would remove the first person to allow the third to resign, and so on. So if X, Y and Z want to resign, X is given Northstead, Y is given the Hundreds. X is then "fired" to free up the position, and Z is appointed. Ironholds (talk) 16:54, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The way you just explained it to me is the best way to rephrase it. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:02, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
mmn, but WP isn't a big fan of OR examples. I'll try and rephrase it in a bit to remove those. Ironholds (talk) 18:10, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Righto, done the ref's. I've rephrased the last para as best I can; if you have time to check it I'd be grateful. Ironholds (talk) 07:03, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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