Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of UEFA club competition winners

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The list was promoted by User:Matthewedwards 17:27, 18 October 2008 [1].

List of UEFA club competition winners[edit]

This list is an overview of the various UEFA lists that I have contributed to over the past month and a bit. I'm hoping this list will eventually become a featured topic, as this list is the umbrella to the other sub articles. Thanks in advance for your comments NapHit (talk) 16:04, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments - sources look good, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:01, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - the article says Juventus received a special plaque in 1987 to commemorate having won all the trophies covered, but they didn't win the Intertoto Cup until 1999 according to that article....!?!? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:11, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I think I have clarified this now NapHit (talk) 17:02, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but it still reads as if the plaque was given to Juventus in recognition of winning all four trophies, which isn't correct as they'd not won the UIC at that time.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:07, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

At this time Juventus had won the European Cup, UEFA cup, Cup Winners' Cup and Super Cup, and I make it clear that the Intertoto Cup did not come under UEFA jurisdiction until 1995, so I think it might need a slight rewording NapHit (talk) 14:05, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I've reworded it a little bit, is it any better? NapHit (talk) 14:26, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I still didn't like it. I've now reworded it myself and feel it is now a lot clearer. One other point - in the "by club" table, surely the first column should be the club, not its nationality......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:03, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, rectified this now NapHit (talk) 14:58, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support - all looks good now -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:58, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think "...UEFA trophy club winners" would sound way less confusing. Nergaal (talk) 17:04, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Its not confusing at all, it is also in line with List of UEFA club competition winning managers, so I think it should remain. NapHit (talk) 17:02, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

in this format it IS confusing because one may read "(UEFA club) winners" rather than "UEFA (club winners)" Nergaal (talk) 07:30, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It makes no difference which way they read it, most people will understand what the title means, and trophy should not be used as they are competitions not just trophies. NapHit (talk) 13:50, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I've tried to give the article as much TLC as I can, and I'm almost ready to Support its promotion to FL status. However, I do believe that the tables themselves could do with a bit more of a prose description. I realise that you've described the content of the tables in the lead, but more prose would be necessary for me to support this FLC. – Pee Jay 14:45, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Added some prose albeit not much, but I think it's satisfactory NapHit (talk) 14:58, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, what I meant was that you should do a summary of the table, not just say what it is. For example, point out the nations/clubs that have won the most titles in each competition. Needs more IMO. – Pee Jay 19:27, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Added some prose know I think it is satisfactory NapHit (talk) 15:12, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's fine. I've fixed the grammar and punctuation a bit, as they were a little shoddy, but I think the list is now in a state where I can Support its promotion to FL status. – Pee Jay 17:20, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

~~Oppose~~ The UEFA is not human; it is an organization. Refer to it as "it", not "they". Same with the teams. I am opposing for now because this list is at the very bottom of FLC so a decision needs to be made; I will revisit my comment when this issue has been resolved. Gary King (talk) 17:12, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I've changed "they" to "it" and written UEFA out in full on its first use. Thanks for the comments NapHit (talk) 19:17, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Found a few more. Gary King (talk) 19:21, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have taken the liberty of changing a couple of those changes back. The organisation is never ever referred to as "the UEFA". That would be like referring to "the NASA" or "the UNESCO" and simply doesn't happen -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:58, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

SatyrTN comments

Take out the 75% width for the first table and the 50% for the second. The Netherlands keeps wrapping, and specifying the width isn't really necessary.
Make the "Specific" references just one column? Since there are only two refs, it looks a bit strange.
I Conditionally Support this FLC. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:36, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I've addressed your comments, Cheers NapHit (talk) 14:25, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Looks great, good work. Sunderland06 (talk) 17:54, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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