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The list was promoted by User:Matthewedwards 15:56, 25 October 2008 [1].

List of Vancouver SkyTrain stations[edit]

I am nominating this for FL nomination as I believe it is ready for this promotion. Also, this nomination if part of the FLC Contest going on right now. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 02:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • Current ref 2 (Sky Train) is lacking a publisher
Otherwise sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:28, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
 Done -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 18:06, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Gary King (talk · contribs)
  • "The SkyTrain in Vancouver" – "The Vancouver SkyTrain"
 Done -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 18:32, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "4 of which" – "four of which"
 Done -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 18:32, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lead should be longer.
I'll try making a longer prose. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 18:32, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think a good place to start would be with the system's history. That should probably go before the analysis of the actual lines. Gary King (talk) 18:42, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
 Done -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 06:59, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gary King (talk) 18:23, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Crzycheetah 02:03, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose mostly because of the prose
    • The first two sentences need to be combined because the current first sentence seems like an incomplete thought.
    • There should be more info on history of these lines than just one clumsy sentence.
As I said to Gary King, I would try to expand the lead later this week. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 03:09, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
 Done -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 06:59, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Avoid using parentheses in the prose.
    • In one sentence, I read four instances of "of which". Needs to be re-worded.
    • There is a column for "previous names" just because three out of 33 stations changed their names? I think a note should be made to indicate those three changes.
    • Any reason why use the boldface and italics instead of colors?
      • Any reason why use colors instead of the boldface and italics? If the WP:MOS saids so, then I will change it. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 03:09, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • WP:MOS does not say "use boldface or italics to indicate something". At the same time, WP:COLOR mentions that colors are used to indicate something. --Crzycheetah 04:23, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
 Done -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 04:34, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You just added the colors. WP:MOS says that we should use boldface for the article name and table headers only. You need to replace boldface and italics with some other symbol.--Crzycheetah 05:07, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
 Done -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 05:14, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's good to see a Google map used as a reference, but why not use it for other captions, as well?
I will try to do that. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 03:09, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
May I ask you where should I put the Google references, since I don't know what to reference. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 04:42, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, didn't notice your question, the fourth caption needs a Google reference, and the second caption needs a reference that it was named after that stadium.--Crzycheetah 05:35, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
 Done all the referencing. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 06:59, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • The lead should mention something about the zones.
I don't know if that is possible... -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 03:09, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

--Crzycheetah 02:43, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

 Done all without a comment. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 03:09, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Why is there no info on Canada Line and Evergreen Line?
They are not part of the SkyTrain brand. Look at the article Canada Line, and you'll see that it has not be confirmed yet whether or not if it wil lbe branded with SkyTrain. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 03:09, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The Evergreen Line will be part of the SkyTrain in 2014, but I won't be including it on the list as it did not open yet. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 06:59, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think you can add that at the end of the lead.--Crzycheetah 04:29, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I already added that on the second paragraph if you didn't notice. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 05:04, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral I need to go over it one more time before supporting.--Crzycheetah 02:03, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • Although you know and I know, I think that you should say that Vancouver is in Canada.
Most articles related to the United States or Canada don't include the country, but instead the province/territory/state. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 20:17, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well I'm not sure that is true and you haven't even specified the province anyway. There is also the point that there is another Vancouver (admittedly a smaller place but with a population of 160,000 or so, not insignificant).Boissière (talk) 19:08, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I do know that there is another Vancouver in Washington, but I think I really don't need to put Canada as I feel it is unnesscessary. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 03:10, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I can't help feeling that the section that you added as a response to other comments which describes the history of the system reads slightly strangely. It reads a bit like a prose list of stations added to the system; some of it seems to imply stations were just tacked on the system without mentioning that there was a section of line added too.
Can you clear what you're trying to say. Sorry, but I only have a intermediate understanding of English. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 20:17, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's not easy to explain - the prose doesn't strike me as particularly compelling. One of the things that is missing is any line lengths and I don't think you need to list every station added. For example I would prefer statements such as "In 19xx the A line was extended by 3 km with 5 new stations.". If you are willing I could try and rewrite that section.Boissière (talk) 19:08, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I would be happy for you to rewrite that paragraph, as long as I won't damage my FL nomination. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 03:10, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "There are 33 stations on the SkyTrain, 4 of which are on the Expo line..." I think that only should be added here or reorder the sentence so that the shared stations come first. It is slightly confusing otherwise. Oh and there's a typo, "Vanouver" in the following sentence.
Cleared the typo, but I feel that the word "only" sounds a little bit WP:POV. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 20:17, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What I was trying to get across is someone is reading it and starts reading the sentence "There are 33 stations on the SkyTrain, 4 of which are on the Expo line" and at that point thinks "Hey, I thought that the Expo line had many more stations than that" and has to read to the end to see the bit about the stations on both lines to clear up his confusion.Boissière (talk) 19:08, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
 Done -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 03:10, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The sentence about the longest automated system is oddly placed, coming amongst stuff that describes the stations. As its quite notable you could probably put it nearer the start of the lead.
 Done -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 20:17, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think you need to clarify what is meant by a transfer station (i.e. transfer just between SkyTrain lines and not transfer to other modes). One might also ask why the other stations on both lines are not marked as transfer stations. You might also want to add a note that the Broadway and Commercial Drive stations effect the transfer via a direct link (and describe the nature of that link if possible e.g. connecting bridge etc.).
I don't think I really need to explain that much for the transfer point. I thougt it was really clear to everyone, but I wikilinked transfer station. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 20:17, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine, though I would still prefer a note about the two linked stations.Boissière (talk) 19:08, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • When hovering over the system diagram in the top right, the tooltip shown is a bit odd with a lot of white space.
Well can you tell me what to do in order to make it more neater? -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 20:17, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
When I made the comment I thought there was a way that one could specify a different tooltip to the caption, but reading up on it this doesn't seem to be possible. Unless anyone knows a clever way round this? Boissière (talk) 19:08, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • It may be me but describing a terminal as the <x>bound terminal doesn't sound quite right. I think I liken it to <x>bound platform which is the platform that you take to go in the x direction. Northern/Southern/Eastern/Western terminal seems more correct.
I'm sorry to tell you this, but if you actually lived in Vancouver, you will know that they are called Northbound, Southbound, Eastbound, and Westbound. There is no eastbound terminal as it continues along the Expo Line. I didn't tell the readers that as I think that it should be obvious and clear to them. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 20:17, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well of course most people reading this article don't live in Vancouver but if it is official terminology then I don't have a problem with it. Boissière (talk) 19:08, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Boissière (talk) 19:15, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • I have replaced one ref from Nationmaster Encyclopedia with a fact tag, since Nationmaster Encyclopedia is a copy (mirror of an older version) of Wikipedia, and thus not a reliable source. Fram (talk) 08:24, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
 Done referencing. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 03:14, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
SRE.K.A contacted me to review the article so here goes
  1. running principally on elevated tracks -- is it completely elevated?
fixed sentence. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  1. was said to be -- who said WP:AWT
changed to was. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  1. "municipal government" reads odd -- perhaps municipal council?
 Done Make sure I did this right. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  1. "the longest mass transit-only bridge" -- longest in?
 Done Make sure I did this right. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  1. "is currently being planned," - check continuity
Deleted currently
  1. "There are 33 stations on the SkyTrain..." -- sentence needs to be split.
 Done Make sure I did this right. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  1. "majority of the stations" -- rephrase, just a shade over "majority"
 Done Make sure I did this right. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  1. What is an Offical transfer station -- Is there something like an "unofficial transfer station"?
Changed it to just, "Transfer station". -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Local Authority -- lower case
 Done -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  1. "the most heavily used station" ==> grammar (has the highest...)
 Done Make sure I did this right. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  1. "Most of the remaining portion" -- tighten prose, too vague
I only have an intermediate understanding of English. To be honest, I don't know how to change it. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Recommend the map be uploaded as an SVG image
I can't make svg files. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Increase the size of the map. Is crucial for understanding.
 Done -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  1. transit officially known as "Intermediate Capacity Transit System" --> check officially
deleted offically. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Suggestion: The distances between each station could be an interesting addition.
Thanks for the suggestion but I'm afraid it can't be done as I can't find a reference for that. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  1. "The first section of the Millennium Line opened in 2002, with Braid and Sapperton stations." -- usage of "with"
I don't understand what you mean... -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Have you considered using Wikipedia:Route diagram template?
Impossible for this article as it can only do one line at a time and will use too much space. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Opening sentences need a copyedit.
I already know that but as I said above, I only have an intermediate understanding of English. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  1. "World in Motion - World in Touch" convert hyphen to dash
 Done -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Check the usage of "with"
Look above. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  1. "SkyTrain, 4 of " -- spell out numbers less than 10
 Done -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

=Nichalp «Talk»= 18:51, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment The middle paragraph is complicated to follow. The sentence beginning "TransLink, which took over" is too long. I suggest you simplify it a bit and get someone to copyedit the prose to help with flow and native-English style. This chronology of the stations can be seen in the table so perhaps all the detail in the prose isn't needed. It would be great if you had an additional map showing the chronology of the track: different colours (with numbers alongside, for any colourblind readers) for each phase of development, along with a key. It is a shame the current map is a JPG as that makes it fuzzy compared to a PNG or SVG. There are folk on WP who convert diagrams, but I forget which project that is. Please consider using accessmonthday and accessyear cite parameters and plain US/Canadian date format (November 13, 1971) rather than using the ISO format. Although the system you've used displays correctly for logged-in users, it shows as ISO format for 99% of readers, which isn't that friendly to non-computer-types. Colin°Talk 19:41, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I requested the convesion of the image, but I cannot copedit the article as I only have a intermediate understandingof English. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 23:06, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by SatyrTN
  • Thanks for your use of pictures - very nicely done!
  • The lede is quite long. Some of that info is pertinent to the article SkyTrain (Vancouver), but probably not necessary in the list. In my opinion, the first two sentences of the second paragraph could be removed.
  • Being able to sort by "Line(s)" is unnecessary.
  • I'd remove the wikilink on "Zone" in the column header, then link it in Note A.
  • Otherwise, this looks good. I Conditionally Support this FLC. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:30, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

 Done all! -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 03:07, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please add class="unsortable" to the "Lines" header column. That will remove the sortability of that column, per my suggestion 3 above. Nice work! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 06:21, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
 Done -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 07:08, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by DavidCane
  • Looking at the articles for Sapperton and Braid Stations and the Millennium Line, the map appears to be wrong with Sapperton and Braid stations switched.
I requested the change on WP:Graphic lab/Image workshop
  • With regard to adding a Route diagram template. It would actually be quite easy as the template can handle very complex arrangements. see right.
Thanks a whole bunch, but there's one problem. Where do I put it? -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 20:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Vancouver SkyTrain
Legend
 Waterfront
Opened 1985
 Burrand
Opened 1985
 Granville
Opened 1985
Stadium-Chinatown
Opened 1985
 Main Street-Science World
Opened 1985
 VCC-Clark
Opened 2006
Broadway
Opened 1985
 Nanaimo
Opened 1985
 Renfrew
Opened 2002
 29th Avenue
Opened 1985
 Rupert
Opened 2002
 Joyce-Collingwood
Opened 1985
 Gilmore
Opened 2002
 Patterson
Opened 1985
 Brentwood Town Centre
Opened 2002
 Metrotown
Opened 1985
 Holdom
Opened 2002
 Royal Oak
Opened 1985
 Sperling-Burnaby Lake
Opened 2002
 Edmonds
Opened 1985
 Lake City Way
Opened 2003
 22nd Street
Opened 1985
 Production Way-University
Opened 2002
 New Westminster
Opened 1985
 Lougheed Town Centre
Opened 2002
 Braid
Opened 2002
 Columbia
Opened 1989
 Sapperton
Opened 2002
Skybridge
Scott Road
Opened 1990
 Gateway
Opened 1994
 Surrey Central
Opened 1994
 King George
Opened 1994
  • 1st paragraph: "The Expo line was built in time for the Expo 86 world fair". As the next paragraph says it was built as a legacy project, so "in time" is redundant.
 Fixed -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 20:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Are the actual opening dates of the Expo and Millennium lines known rather than just the years?
I'm trying to keep in consistent, as some do, and some don't. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 20:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • 2nd paragraph: "extending service to Surrey." should be either "extending services to Surrey." or "extending the service to Surrey."
 Fixed -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 20:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • 2nd paragraph: "In 2006, VCC-Clark opened, which complete the Millennium Line." should be "In 2006, VCC-Clark station opened, which completed the Millennium Line."
 Fixed -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 20:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • 2nd paragraph: Presumably these are Canadian dollars.
 Done noting it. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 20:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • 2nd paragraph: "TransLink, which took over BC Transit's SkyTrain operation, proposed a two-phase expansion: a $1.2 billion Millennium Line from New Westminster to the Vancouver Community College via Lougheed Town Centre in Phase I and a $730 million Coquitlam line from Lougheed Mall to Coquitlam Centre via Port Moody and a Western Line from Vancouver Community College to Granville Street via the Broadway Corridor, both to be completed before 2006, in Phase II." is a very long sentence. I suggest this is broken up to make it easier to follow. Also "both to be completed before 2006" appears to be unnecessary." For example:
"TransLink, which took over BC Transit's SkyTrain operation, proposed a two-phase expansion: The first phase was a $1.2 billion Millennium Line from New Westminster to the Vancouver Community College via Lougheed Town Centre. The second phase was a $730 million Coquitlam line from Lougheed Mall to Coquitlam Centre via Port Moody and a Western Line from Vancouver Community College to Granville Street via the Broadway Corridor"
 Fixed I just copied your version and pasted it into the paragraph. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 20:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • 3rd paragraph: "Their are four stations..." should be "There are four stations..."
 Fixed -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 20:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • 3rd paragraph: It would be easier and simpler to state how many stations are served by each line and how many are shared.
 Done Check it incase I did something wrong. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 20:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • 3rd paragraph: "...most highest used..." should be "...most highly used..." and "...is the lowest." should be "...is the least used."
 Fixed -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 20:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is there any information as to usage numbers for the stations?
There is, but it is way overdue, as they only did it in 2003, and things may change. If you want me to put the 2003 stats up, I'll be happy too. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 20:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

--DavidCane (talk) 17:19, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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