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List of World Heritage Sites in Sweden[edit]

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Nominator(s): Tone 19:00, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So, this is the last from the set of UNESCO lists from Northern Europe, and it is also the longest (probably this is the reason this came last...) Style is consistent with other lists, text usually gets some polishing during the nomination. Thank you in advance for comments. Tone 19:00, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Bloom6132 (talk) 23:21, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • Support – I made two minor tweaks and everything now checks out fine. Looks to me like it meets all 6 FL criteria. Great work! —Bloom6132 (talk) 23:21, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I am participating in the WikiCup, and intend to claim points from the above review. —Bloom6132 (talk) 17:15, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:22, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
;Comments
  • "The last site added to the current list are" - "site" is singular, so the verb should be "is"
  • "The palace ensemble" - what's a "palace ensemble"?
  • "one of the strongest powers in the 17th century Europe" => "one of the strongest powers in 17th century Europe"
  • "Visby's role started declining in the second half of 14th century" => "Visby's role started declining in the second half of the 14th century"
  • "The city declined in 1525, when it was sacked by an army from Lübeck." - I think it's unlikely that the city declined in the space of a single year, so it's probably more appropriate to say "The city declined after it was sacked by an army from Lübeck in 1525."
  • "is currently being considered as to be added to the site" => "is currently being considered for addition to the site"
  • "Relocating from Stockholm, Karlskrona" - this reads as if Karlskrona relocated, which obviously isn't true. Better to say "Karlskrona was to replace Stockholm as the new naval base for Swedish Navy, a major naval power of the era"
  • "The site comprises of" => either "The site comprises" or "The site consists of" but not "The site comprises of"
  • "The paintings represent a fusion of folk styles with the influences from Baroque and Rococo" => "The paintings represent a fusion of folk styles with influences from Baroque and Rococo"
  • Think that's it from me -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:30, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Further comments
  • The listing for the Royal Domain still uses the word "ensemble" without explaining it. I have literally no idea what the word means in this context.
  • Think that's it :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:22, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 08:42, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Wow, huuuuge whitespace in the lead. Not a good start. Any way of addressing that?
  • "As of 2016" why 2016? That's really "as of 2020". Especially curious as that source has an accessdate of 2011!
  • "has one property" strange wording, why not "one site"?
  • " still-functioning Theatre, a" we've had this before, in this context Theatre shouldn't be capitalised. Fine to capitalise it if you're using its full formal title, but not here, looks odd.
  • "The architecture of the ensemble can be viewed as the legacy of the influences of the Palace of Versailles" according to whom?
  • " Saint Ansgar" put Saint inside the link.
  • "the central function" what's that?
  • "They reveal the life and beliefs of people who made them," again, according to whom? Reads a little like a travel guide rather than an encyclopedic treatment of the topic.
  • 1917–20 -> 1917–1920 per MOS.
  • " in the Baltic from" region?
  • "resulted in unique adaptations." such as?
  • Kvarken has two dates per the official site, 2000 and 2006, why isn't that reflected here?
  • I would expect some reference to the trans-national nature of Kvarken in its notes section.
  • "The most striking feature" guidebook.
  • "antenna" is a dab.
  • " Biology *" previous trans-national sites didn't have a space between their name and the asterisk.
  • Refs 3 and 15 have spaced hyphens, should be en-dashes.
  • "World Heritage Sites in Sweden" template, several redirects which shouldn't really be in a navigational template.

That's about all I have, this is a WikiCup review by the way. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:30, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: I'm through! Thanks for the comments. The white space at the intro is due to the vertical geography of Sweden. I could omit the break but that would mess with the table setting on some screens. Regarding Kvarken, the expansion is mentioned in the description, the year in the table is when the Swedish property was listed (for Finland article, I used 2006). A bunch of "guidebook" wording is from the source, but I changed to more neutral nevertheless. Sometimes the UNESCO descriptions are over-hyped. Thanks for spotting some issues that I missed earlier. --Tone 14:55, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm still not comfortable with that huge whitespace and very short lead. The other issues are satisfactorily resolved. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 09:08, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I know. The lead is about the length of other lists that were promoted, but the image makes it look short. I don't have a good solution here, without repeating the content of the list. --Tone 09:53, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This is an interesting issue... I would agree that the current state is rather awkward, I have inquired at the help desk. Aza24 (talk) 20:42, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The Rambling Man and Tone, following the help desk request, Maproom has tried out some new formatting to reduce the white space. I think it looks better – but of course still not ideal – and it might be the best solution. The only other thing I can think of is perhaps adding some additional pictures in the white space of heritage sites, although this would be different then must UNESCO lists. Aza24 (talk) 22:37, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - Pass[edit]

Doing now. I'll try to come back later for additional comments on the prose to get this nomination moving. Aza24 (talk) 22:32, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Ref 9 could do with some kind of identifier. Url, doi, JSTOR number, oclc or ISSN (although I'm not sure journals have these two)
  • Ref 10 needs ISBN 13 (use the converter)
  • OUP really should be spelled out as Oxford University Press
  • Given that so many sources are Unesco, reliability is fine. The other 3 are good as well. Aza24 (talk) 22:32, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from Aza24[edit]

Some comments to get this one moving:

  • "The property dates back to the 17th and 18th century" – shouldn't it just be 17th? Or is this referencing some additions that were made in the 18th century
  • I'm not sure that "Nevertheless, the royal residence" makes sense since the sentence proceeding it is referring to Birka and the new one is reffering to Hovgården – they aren't seemingly related except by proximity, right?
  • in the Engelsberg Ironworks section, three sentences in a row start with "The" and one sentence after another one does as well – try to add a little variation here
  • BCE is used and so is AD, it should be either BCE and CE or BC and AD
  • Could "They depict humans, animals, weapons, tools, and other subjects. There are around 1500 known sites with carvings." be combined - might flow better?(e.g. "There are around 1500 known sites with carvings depicting humans, animals...")
  • "Skogskyrkogården is a significant example of how architectural features can be wholly integrated into the environment. Skogskyrkogården has had a profound influence on cemetery design in many countries worldwide" may flow better combined too, but this one seems less obvious than my suggestion above (e.g. "Skogskyrkogården is a significant example of how architectural features can be wholly integrated into the environment and has had...")
  • "Swedish Baroque city" sounds like a historical time period when it refers to an artistic one, this should be rephrased to something like "Swedish city in the Baroque style" (like how its done with NeoClassical later)
  • It was founded in 1680, during the reign of king Charles XI to replace Stockholm as the new naval base for Swedish Navy, a major naval power of the era. – combining would make sense since surely this is the reason the king founded it? – King should be capitalized as well
  • The rest of the prose looks great, just these things and hopefully a solution for the above issue on map size... Aza24 (talk) 21:43, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Aza24: Fixed, thanks for great comments. Also, I think that the fix to the space works nice - the laptop screen does not show excessively large white space now. I will let @The Rambling Man: decide if this is ok or if we should add perhaps a gallery or something. --Tone 11:51, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I think the way it stands right now or with a gallery is enough for me to support, great work here. Aza24 (talk) 19:50, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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