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List of awards and nominations received by Bruno Mars[edit]

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Nominator(s): MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:59, 1 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I have worked on it several times so it could meet he criteria, and it has improved a lot since the first nomination and I have addressed all the issues regarding the bad references and links, as well as, a new prose has been made. Bruno Mars has received several nominations and awards in a short career so far due to his efforts as a singer, producer and song-writer. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:59, 1 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Simon (talk) 04:57, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "The American singer-songwriter, multi-instrumentalist, record producer, and choreographer Bruno Mars" → lengthy introduction here. Just simplify it by saying he's a singer and songwriter
Done. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 09:37, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "He received several "Best Male Artist" awards, including the 2011 American Music Award for Favorite Pop/Rock Male Artist, the 2012 Brit Awards for International Male Solo Artist and the 2012 Echo Award for Best International Male." → Try to reword this for better flow. My suggestion: He won the awards for Best Male Artist at several award ceremonies in 2011 and 2012, including...
Fixed. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:13, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "reached number-one" → number one
Issue adressed. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 09:37, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "winning the former award, and the Juno Award for International Album of the Year in 2013." → sounds bizarre
Replaced with " it won the former award. In 2013, the album was recognized with the Juno Award for International Album of the Year." MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:37, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Moreover, Mars won two consecutive" → sounds quite clumsy. Try replace the conjunction
Replaced with "In addition". MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:13, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Other recognitions": i think this section could be omitted as the titles/accolades listed here are not related to "awards and nominations"
Fixed. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 09:57, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Try replace hyphens (-) with en-dashes (–)
Done, except for the "awards table" and Webcitations url and titles, since those don't need. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 09:57, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Some sources have publishers (#1, #2) while some don't (#3, #127). Be consistent
Fixed. The #2 publisher is correct, I'm not sure what is the problem in the second citation. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:06, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The rest of the list: very informative and well organised.
Thank you. I have addressed all concerns if you could take a second look it would be great. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:37, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

— Simon (talk) 08:42, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support All concerns are addressed. Great work! — Simon (talk) 04:57, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the support. It is appreciated MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 11:35, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by FrB.TG
  • Can we have another image of his? There are so many people in the image and it's hard to spot him.
Fixed. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:17, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The American singer and songwriter Bruno Mars has" - you don't need the definite article.
Issue addressed. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:17, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Could numbers below ten be in words e.g. 4 Grammys => four Grammys?
Resolved. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:17, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Mars initially came to prominence as an acknowledged music producer, who wrote lyrics for other artists along with his production team The Smeezingtons" - I am not following you here. You say that he shot to fame as a producer, but later you declare him as a songwriter: "a producer who wrote songs".
Resolved. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:36, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and was nominated for three Grammy Awards, including Record of the Year at the 52nd Annual Grammy Awards" - repetition of Grammy. Consider rephrasing.
Done. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:26, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Could you avoid the zigzag in the infobox: refer to this list for more understanding.
Done. Thanks for the tip. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:43, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Since runner-ups are considered wins, suggest adding a footnote to clarify.
Done. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:33, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 54 - get rid of Student-Weekly.com as that is basically the same as Student-Weekly.
Fixed. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:20, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 157 E! Online. E!. => E!
Done. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:20, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Done. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:20, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support on every criterion, but I have not checked references and will leave that on other reviewers. All in all it's a sound list. FrB.TG (talk) 07:33, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for the review and helpful comments. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 12:03, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Review by 3family6
  • "Awards in certain categories do not have prior nominations and only winners are announced by the jury. For simplification and to avoid errors, each award in this list has been presumed to have had a prior nomination." - Does this mean that the 235 nominations listed includes nominations that went on to win?
Yes. I'm not fully understanding what you don't get here. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:00, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Record of the Year - "  In 2013, it was axed, signaling the end of the award. Mars was nominated twice." What was axed, the poll or the award? I'm assuming the poll, but I was confused when I read this. Also, "axed" I think is a little to informal. While I firmly believe that Wikipedia prose should be engaging and creative, it also needs to be in a formal style.
Adressed. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:00, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why is British spelling used here for an American artist? I don't care a whole lot, but I thought the convention was that if a subject is from a geographic area with a particular variance of English, that variance should be the one used.
It doesn't matter, as long as it is only used one in the all article. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:00, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I will do a source review, but these are my comments on the prose.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 15:35, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • With Los Premios 40 Principales: "It was created in 2006 to celebrate the fortieth anniversary of its founding." The award was created in 2006 to celebrate the award's 40th anniversary?--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 16:51, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Source review:
  • The ASCAP Song of the Year win for "Just the Way You Are" is not supported by the listed citation, which has only the Most Performed Song award listed.
  • This source no longer supports the claim "The BET Hip Hop Awards are an annual awards show, airing on BET, since 2006, showcasing hip hop performers, producers and music video directors." Perhaps replace it with this and this, which I've used at the List of awards and nominations received by Lecrae.
  • This does not support the statement that "The iHeartRadio Music Awards is an music awards show, founded by iHeartRadio in 2014, to recognize the most popular artists and music over the past year as determined by the network's listeners."

My review is complete. Hopefully you can resolve these issues and I can lend my support to this nomination. I've nominated the List of awards and nominations received by Lecrae as an FLC, and would appreciate any feedback you can provide. Thank you,--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 16:51, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Addressed every comment. If you could explain what do you intend with the first one, I would be appreciated. I'm just getting started here with the FLC, so I'm still learning perhaps in a near feature, I'm sure any other user here is a better fit to add comments and review. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:00, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • In awards infobox template, the nominations (in pink) are only those that didn't win, with the winning nominations included only in the awards wins (in green). In this article, you've listed all nominations, winning or otherwise, in the box. See Template:Infobox musician awards for details. With that in mind, I'd convert the whole template - I didn't realize until now that a custom template was used instead of the infobox.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 23:26, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm doing something wrong regarding the table. I don't know what it is. Can you give me a help? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 09:24, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
As I suspected, there were a couple of wikilinks that had only one bracket instead of two (like this [[Soul Train Music Awards]). I've had this mistake before happen to me many times, and it's a real pain to dig through the text to find the broken syntax. The infobox is fixed now.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 16:22, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, the list currently uses both dmy and mdy date formats. Mdy is American, dmy British. And currently there is a notice to use mdy, even though the article is in British English and uses dmy in the majority. This also needs to be resolved.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 03:07, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Since I don't use American English in my writing, I don't know what to amend, however I could ask to GOCE to fix the prose with that intend. I can check the dates. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 09:27, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I won't push for the article to be converted to American English, but the dates should all follow the dmy (e.g. 30 April 2016) format, both in the prose and list and in the sources. If you want to take the list to GOCE, feel free, but I don't think that is needed.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 16:22, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Then I won't take it to GOCE. I have revised the article and I found two links with wrong date format. I believe that issue is now addressed. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 20:38, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
They all are the wrong format now. If this article is using British English, than all dates need to be day-month-year, not month-day-year. There is a script that can do the conversion, but I can't get it to work yet, or else I would've made the conversion myself.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 21:21, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, ping me when you can get it to work or send the script to me, perhaps I could get it to work. On the other hand, is this American English just a couple of words? Example: colour→color; because if it is you could just tell me and I would change them into the american spelling (after a google search, of course). MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 23:29, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It is mainly the spelling. I got the script to work, so changing the dates takes only a few seconds, I can change those back if you adjust the spelling.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 23:58, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's fine by me. Could you now support this nomination? Thank you very much for your help.MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:39, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I'll support as all outstanding issues have been addressed.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 21:22, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much. Kind regards. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 16:14, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Why are none of the tables sortable? It seems odd not to be able to arrange them for, by example, order of result. - SchroCat (talk) 07:27, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I never seen using a sortable in an awards and nominations FL for singers. On the other hand, I have seen it being used in actors and actresses but the tables don't work properly. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 11:23, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Could you point me to an FL for an actor or actree whare the table sort does not work properly? - SchroCat (talk) 11:28, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, they work properly, I missed to see the sortbale. But once again, most of them don't use sortbale. Instead they use [awards table] MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 11:43, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, they do work properly, but awards list for people don't seem to use sortable tables, including many lists of my own (e.g. List of awards and nominations received by Adele). I am not sure why is it sortable for film accolades and not for people's lists, probably because {{awards table}} does not use sortable table? FrB.TG (talk) 15:34, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yes - using a table template which was, I think, originally designed for albums, not people. Looking at the template it looks as if it's out of date with all the other uses we make with tables now (no-one's fault on these tables, but I suspect the template may come under scrutiny at some point in the future). The last actor awards list I did (List of awards and nominations received by Laurence Olivier) I used a standard table to allow flexibility - these are far more useful for readers trying to see, for example, which awards were gained for which (film/album/etc) or to compare the number of wins against nominations. Thanks for the explanation. - SchroCat (talk) 15:52, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Given that the tables are all so short, I'm fine with them not being sortable in this instance. That's not a blanket approval for all cases though, so I would recomend a broader discussion at whatever wikiproject about what template should be used for awards-by-artist lists vs. awards-by-album. I do also prefer larger tables so that users can sort by award/win/whatever, instead of broken up by section, but it appears that the reviewers above didn't have a problem with it. I also see that there was a source review done, so, passing. Congrats on having the 3000th FL! --PresN 16:04, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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