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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by PresN 22:06, 10 November 2015 (UTC).[reply]

List of cricketers who have scored centuries in consecutive matches from Test debut[edit]

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Nominator(s): —Vensatry (ping) 12:01, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Another cricket list. Currently has eight entries, but it will certainly grow. This one follows the same format as similar lists. As always, look forward to comments and suggestions. —Vensatry (ping) 12:01, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • List is not any categories. Also, why can't this be merged into List of centuries scored on Test cricket debut? It's rare (8 entries, and only 2 of those in the last 19 years) and there are no sources at present speaking directly to the noteworthiness of a streak of centuries scored from debut onwards. At the moment, it looks like being statistics for the sake of statistics. BencherliteTalk 12:28, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, they overlap with each other, but not same. I think a fork definitely makes sense – scoring a century in the (first) two matches is definitely more "significant" than just on debut. Besides, the stat. has received adequate coverage in the media, including Wisden and Cricinfo (both are used in the article). Here is another one [1]. —Vensatry (ping) 12:45, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Wisden reference mentions it in this way: "Given below is the trivia [emphasis added] associated with this unique feat [scoring a century on debut, i.e. the main list] achieved over the years in Test cricket history." Scoring a century in your next match is listed along with retiring hurt, or people scoring a century on debut on the same day or in the same match, or never scoring another test century again (which is in fact far, far more common than scoring a century in your next match). Not exactly significant coverage. The other page is simply a statistics page, with no more evidence of independent notability than "List all the 100-plus Test partnerships for the eighth wicket which have come after the seventh wicket has fallen at or before 150" (a suggested statistics page linked from the target you've given). This short list fails the 3(b) test: "could not reasonably be included as part of a related article". It could be, so it's an oppose. All the main list needs is a few footnotes to say that these eight people scored centuries in their next match, or in Azharuddin's case, two matches. In passing, "Kallicharran" is misspelt in the lead, Queen's Park Oval is missing its possessive apostrophe, you've got "Kingston, Jamaica, Jamaica", "DNB" isn't glossed for those who don't know that it means "Did Not Bat", Eden Gardens has a stray space after it on one occasion. and I wouldn't link the cities per WP:OVERLINK (do we even need "Sydney Cricket Ground, Sydney" - since where else would it be?) BencherliteTalk 13:49, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I will pass on the finer aspects, not understanding the sport, but if sources treat it differently we can easily treat it differently as well. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 15:59, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm no expert on cricket and what should be considered a notable statistic, despite having reviewed many cricket articles and lists in my time here. That said, the list looks a little shaky to me on 3b grounds. I see no reason why this feat couldn't be highlighted with a color and symbol in the main List of centuries scored on Test cricket debut article. I suppose that, if there is separate independent coverage, we could consider a separate list, but eight items is quite short for an FL; usually lists that short that reach FL have some kind of note column to pad things a bit. I don't want to be the one who shoots this down, but I would like to more coverage that treats this as a unique topic, and doesn't put it with numerous other lists that aren't going to be notable enough for Wikipedia standards. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:11, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The comparison between List of cricketers who have taken five-wicket hauls on Test debut and [[List of [nationality] cricketers who have taken five-wicket hauls on Test debut]] on the one hand with List of centuries scored on Test cricket debut and List of cricketers who have scored centuries in consecutive matches from Test debut on the other is, I hope, obvious. In the first case, the main list has been broken down into sub-lists by nationality, primarily for ease of navigation. It is the same achievement. In the second instance, you are saying that there are two achievements: scoring a century on test debut, and scoring two centuries in one's first two test matches. No-one can be on the second list without also being on the first list. As it's only eight names, and unlikely to increase in size quickly, I don't think it merits its own featured list within the FL criteria. BencherliteTalk 11:54, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but not everybody on the first will be on the second. Secondly, this isn't an arbitrary statistic; a couple of sources (which treat the topic independently) are available. I think, it can be legitimately forked out to have a standalone article. If length is your only concern you might want to look at List of India cricketers who have taken five wickets on Test debut, an FL with eight entries. —Vensatry (ping) 14:33, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Never got around to stating my opinion on this list. I agree with Bencherlite- this list is a trivial content fork. We already have a list of players scoring a century on debut; noting that 8 of them scored a century in their next match (or two) is a footnote that you've expanded into a list. The sources note the facts, but none of them area really about it- you could just as easily have a list that is "List of cricketers who have scored 5 centuries in 20 consecutive matches" and I'm sure you could find sources, but that wouldn't make the list a good idea. --PresN 02:05, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I never denied that argument. But we have sources which treat both the topics in a unique way. —Vensatry (Talk) 06:13, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, at this point 2 delegates including myself have expressed concern that this is a 3b violation, and one editor has opposed over it. The fact remains that this list could be easily included in the list of players scoring a century on debut list, either as a table or as a simple footnote, and as such is a 3b violation. I'm going to close this list as not passed, rather than leave it open to just remain stalled. --PresN 22:05, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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