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The list was promoted by Crisco 1492 04:29, 24 July 2015 [1].

List of cricketers who have taken five-wicket hauls on ODI debut[edit]

List of cricketers who have taken five-wicket hauls on ODI debut (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): —Vensatry (ping) , Joseph2302 (talk)

Another fifers list. Joseph2302 created the basic article, I developed the lead and tidied up the table. I have another candidate which has got two supports with no outstanding concerns. As always, look forward to comments and suggestions. —Vensatry (ping) 12:58, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

As the article creator, I obviously support this. I believe it passes all the criteria, and is an interesting, comprehensive list of information about this topic. I know WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS isn't a good argument, but I believe it's as good, probably better, than some of the other Featured cricket lists. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:13, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Joseph2302: I have included you as a co-nominator. I know the support was made in good faith, yet beware that you cannot support your own nominations. Cheers —Vensatry (ping) 11:03, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, I wasn't sure, which was why I didn't bold it. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:04, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments
    • "Players from six teams that have permanent ODI status" - I would say "Players from six of the ten teams that have permanent ODI status", it seems clearer
    • "Sri Lanka cricketer Uvais Karnain was the first to take a five-wicket haul on ODI debut. He took 5 wickets for 26 runs against New Zealand in March 1984" - two very short sentences here, maybe try "first to take a five-wicket haul on ODI debut when he took....."
    • "Canada cricketer Austin Codrington's five wickets for 27 runs .... is...." - "five wickets is" doesn't really work, might be better as "Canada cricketer Austin Codrington took five wickets for 27 runs against Bangladesh in the group stage of the 2003 Cricket World Cup, which is...."
      • What's wrong with the present structure? —Vensatry (ping) 17:31, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        • As it stands, the subject of the sentence is "five wickets", and you can't say "five wickets....is" because it's not grammatically correct. Another alternative would be ""Canada cricketer Austin Codrington's tally of five wickets for 27 runs .... is....". But you can't really say "five wickets is"............ -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:49, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
          • also, why is it "five wickets for 27 runs" here where everywhere else in the lead it is "5 wickets for XX runs"? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:51, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Notes: "It was South Africa's first ODI when it was re-admitted to international cricket following their ban in 1970" - you have "it....it....their", which doesn't make grammatical sense. Maybe try "It was South Africa's first ODI after the team was re-admitted to international cricket following a ban imposed in 1970"
      • Corrected, although not exactly as you suggested. —Vensatry (ping) 17:31, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Any reason why the dates are in US format? Pretty sure UK format would be better for a cricket article........
  • Hope this helps -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:54, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - all looks OK now -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:14, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • The "bowler" column should sort by surname.
  • Why does the "over" cell for Kagiso Rabada have "8.0" while no other cell has superfluous decimal points?
  • Retained the decimal part to maintain uniformity. —Vensatry (ping) 07:02, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can the "bowler" column be made narrower so that the "Batsmen" column can be wider, so that it doesn't have to wrap?
  • You need to include column scopes.
  • "South Africa cricketers...", "Sri Lanka cricketer...", "Australia cricketer...", "Canada cricketer..." in these cases, they should be "South African", "Sri Lankan", "Australian", "Canadian" as it is being used as an adjective.
    • When we say "Canadian" it would refer to the nationality rather than the team. For eg., Austin Codrington is a Canadian cricketer of Jamaican descent. Hope that makes sense —Vensatry (ping) 07:02, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • "England, India, New Zealand and Pakistan are yet to have a debutant taking a five-wicket haul." Should use "take" not "taking". Harrias talk 15:18, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support, I've added in no non-breaking spaces and the such to alleviate some of the silly line breaks because of column widths, and it looks good to me now. Harrias talk 16:01, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks but did you notice width of the table? —Vensatry (ping) 17:37, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 19:33, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "and 11 of these"
  • "South Africa cricketers have performed this feat..." -> South African cricketers achieved this on...
  • In general when referring to a person from a country, you don't use the name of the country. So, South Africa would be South African, Australia Australian. There are few instances of this occurring in the lead.
  • I'm sure that's what the article used to say, but it was changed after a comment above, which said Australia should be used, not Australian. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:50, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, actually NapHit is actually repeating the same point I made. Harrias talk 19:01, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think you need to use cricketer either, it should be obvious from the list that they are cricketers.
  • "Donald received a man of the match..." a should be the
  • @NapHit: Note:The Donald sentence is correct, as both Donald and Sachin Tendulkar were awarded the MOTM award (see note b)- so he won 1 of the 2 awards for that match. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:42, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • "All but three instances where a player has achieved this feat have resulted in their teams' victories." -> Of the eleven occasions a cricketer has taken a five-wicket haul on debut, only three times has his team lost.

NapHit (talk) 17:53, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support Great work. NapHit (talk) 19:33, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 17:15, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "have permanent ODI status" do you really mean Full member status? Plus the hashed link doesn't work because the M of Member shouldn't be capitalised.
  • " followed by Sri Lankans " not keen on "followed by", maybe just "while"?
  • Consider linking "associate teams" to the relevant section of the List of ICC members.
  • caption: "in its first ever ODI." this doesn't appear to be referenced.
    • The fact is replicated in the lead where it's referenced. —Vensatry (ping) 08:13, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'm not seeing that. I see that Donald's debut is referenced, but the caption talks about South Africa's first ever ODI. Do you mean "Allan Donald took a five-wicket haul for South Africa in his first ever ODI."? The Rambling Man (talk) 08:37, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fix the link in the {{International cricket five-wicket hauls}} template so it points to the correct target.

The Rambling Man (talk) 06:50, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed it in this edit, so the template links to precisely the correct target, rather than a redirect. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:37, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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