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List of female 24 Hours of Le Mans drivers[edit]

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Nominator(s): MWright96 (talk) 19:19, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Following the successful promotion of the List of 24 Hours of Le Mans winners to featured list status, I hereby present to you a list of all the women and all-women teams who have competed in the iconic French automobile endurance motor race. I welcome all comments for this review. MWright96 (talk) 19:19, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:28, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
*Check for image captions which are complete sentences and therefore need full stops
  • "There have been six countries who" => "There have been six countries which"
  • "Of every crew that has started the event since the first race in 1923, 28 were composed of entirely women drivers" - this reads oddly, as obviously the 28 female crews are a subset of every crew ever to race
    • Reworded MWright96 (talk) 09:37, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • It still read weirdly IMO. WHy not just "Since the first race in 1923, there have been 28 all-women squads"? I can't see any benefit in the "Of every crew that has started the event since the first race...." part, as it's completely obvious that the 28 all-female squads are a subset of "every squad ever"..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:15, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The highest overall finish achieved by an individual woman at Le Mans was Siko" => "The highest overall finish by an individual woman at Le Mans was achieved by Siko"
  • "Small number in the best finish column denotes a driver's highest finish" - I don't see any small numbers in that column, just regular-sized ones
  • "Odette Siko was one of first two women" => "Odette Siko was one of the first two women"
  • Vanina Ickx is not linked in her image caption
  • Miss D. Champney is linked in the team column of the second table, but the earlier instances of the team name being that of one of the drivers are not
  • "Gilberte Thirion was barred from competing for Equipe Gordini in the 1954 race because she was a woman." - the lead says that women were only banned after a disaster in 1955. SO why was Thirion banned earlier than that?
  • That's all I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:04, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)[edit]

  • Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. You have it on the "by name" table, but they're missing on the "by country" table.
  • Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. --PresN 00:54, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

CommentsSupport from TRM[edit]

  • Is it "female" drivers or "woman" drivers?
  • "were officially not permitted to enter the event until the restriction was lifted" what provoked the change that led to banning women?
  • "1954 race" in note [a], make race part of the link.
  • "in 2021.[7]" overlinked.
  • "all-women squads" first mention of squad here, worth noting to the readers that not one single driver competes for the whole drive.
  • "the 1974 edition" edition inside link.
  • Same for the following three.
  • Best Finish -> Best finish
  • Class Wins -> Class wins
  • "Société Esso" you linked Esso in other names, not here?
  • " pp. page 1, page 2" you don't need those two "page"s.

That's it for a first pass. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 13:42, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support my primary concerns addressed, one comment above but not critical. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 20:36, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Z1720[edit]

I am still new to commenting on FLCs, so feedback and questions about my comments are welcome. I will be focusing on the lede, prose, and understandability.

  • "and were ranked under the same performance standards for its part in advocating sexual equality" I don't understand what this sentence is telling me. Was the race ranked by some external agency for its advocacy? Is sentence saying that women and men were treated equally? Please clarify in the article
  • "the ACO officially refused to allow women" Before the 1956 race, were they unofficially refusing female entries? If not, remove officially.
  • " to enter the event as a consequence of the fatal accident of" -> "to enter the event after the fatal accident of" to tighten up the language.
  • "The restriction was lifted when the women's liberation movement had reached French motorsport in 1971." This sentence is hinting at events as part of the women's liberation movement, but is not very specific. What actions did the movement take to get Le Mans to reversal their ban? This doesn't have to be very long, perhaps a half-sentence.
    • Reworded sentence since I could not find any further details MWright96 (talk) 06:29, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • " followed by the United Kingdom in second with 16 female drivers and Belgium in third with five female racers." Since you say "followed by" the reader will automatically assume the UK is second and Belgium third, so "in second" and "in third" can be removed.
  • "There have been six countries which have been represented by just one woman racer." I think this is going into too much detail in the lede, as it makes the reader wonder why countries with four, three or two entries have not been talked about.
  • " driving for Richard Mille Racing in the Le Mans Prototype 2 (LMP2) category." I don't think this is necessary, as the article has not mentioned other racing companies earlier in the lede.
  • "Since the first race in 1923, there have been 28 all-female squads, all consisting of either two or three drivers." delete the second all.

Those are my comments. Z1720 (talk) 20:50, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support my comments have been addressed. Z1720 (talk) 15:13, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source and image review (BennyOnTheLoose)[edit]

Sources

  • ISBN format for McCarthy (2007) should be changed to match the others in the bibliography (i.e. "978...")
  • Motorsport Stats and Automobile Club de l'Ouest are both used multiple times. They seem to be suitable reliable sources, as do the books in the bibliography.
  • Spot checks on McCarthy (2007), Vergeer (2009), O'Kane (2012), Porsche (2018), Monteal Gazette (1971), Motor Sport re:Colleen Eaton". All good. (assisted by an online translation tool).
  • Looks like there is some editorial oversight at racingsportscars.com, but what confirms that this is a reliable source?
  • Author Isabelle Griffon is missing from the France 3 reference.

Images

  • All PD or CC. I was a bit dubious about the picture of Lombardi but, looking back to the flickr page, it seems fine.
  • "Michèle Mouton won her class in the 1975 24 Hours of Le Mans." - as the picture is quite a bit later than the race, perhaps add "(pictured in 2011)"
  • I suggest amending "Sarah Bovy is the most recent driver to debut at the event." to avoid this becoming outdated when this is no longer the case.
  • "The Moynet LM75 car that Christine Dacremont, Mouton and Marianne Hoepfner used to win their class at the 1975 24 Hours of Le Mans." - I think this would read better if Mouton's first name was included, even though this is on the top picture in the article.
  • Otherwise, captions and placement are fine.

Other comments

  • The Canada and South Africa flags in the 24 Hours of Le Mans female drivers by country table is the new one, whilst the one next the drivers are the old ones. As all these wins were before the new flag was introduced, should the same one be used in both places? (Perhaps not, per "Consistency is not paramount" and "Overbroad use of flags with politicized connotations" in MOS:FLAG.)


MWright96 (now renamed to CatRacer22) has retired as of last week; is anyone willing to take over this nomination to sort out the source/image problems raised by BennyOnTheLoose? --PresN 15:13, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 22:50, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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