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List of international cricket centuries by Andrew Strauss[edit]

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Nominator(s): Harrias talk 16:08, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Another international cricket centuries list: this one for England's current captain Andrew Strauss. A few impressive achievements, not least his three high scores in ODI cricket. Don't understand why people want him to retire from it! Based on those that have come before. Harrias talk 16:08, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 17:04, 11 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Not sure if a non-expert will understand "opening batsman".
  • "on 19 occasions in Test cricket, and 6 times " I know you're following MOSNUM here, I'd prefer it the other way round, "nineteen occasions... six times.." but it's my own personal pref so no major trauma.
  • Changed as suggested: I prefer that too.
  • I like the quote but what's a "tyro"?!
  • Linked to the wikitionary article on tyro.
  • Link Wisden as the other Wisden link goes straight to the COTY article.
  • Done.
  • "he was run out on 83 by Nasser Hussain" interesting nuance of cricket. Most would expect the run out to be by an opposition player. Can we rephrase this to reflect that it was (I assume) a poor decision to run (by someone!) which ended up in Strauss being run out?
  • Expanded to "he was run out on 83 by his batting partner Nasser Hussain" – how's that?
  • "who he went on to replace in " can we be clear here, i.e. "who Strauss went on to replace"?
  • Done.
  • "match of the series against the West Indies" is there a link to that series? Same for the following Eng series vs SA.
  • Done and done.
  • I think we have an article for England captains somewhere you could link to? (for "as England captain in 2009")
  • "during an Ashes series" could link the generic "The Ashes" here.
  • Done.
  • "He scored his second century the following season, scoring 152..." don't repeat "scor..." here, perhaps just "... season, with 152.."?
  • Replaced "scoring" with "reaching".
  • "third highest total " would have thought that should be third-highest.
  • Done.
  • " his batting temperament suited itself to" - "his batting temperament was suited to..."
  • Done.
  • "he was named Man of the match." -> "named man of..."

The Rambling Man (talk) 19:59, 30 April 2011 (UTC) Thanks for your comments, sorry in the delay getting back to you! Harrias talk 20:57, 5 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • You mention Lord's being his home ground, but on the second time of mentioning it, any reason for that?
  • It fits in better on the second use! I could probably reword the first instance if you think that'd work better (which it probably would I guess) – I think to be honest I didn't think about it the first time!
  • I think it would fit in fine the first time and would be less strange (to me!). Just do what you've already done, a semi-coloned statement that Lord's is his home ground. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:24, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

  • "and was also scored at Lord's; his county home ground for Middlesex." The semi-colon should probably be a regular comma.
  • Done.
  • Thanks for pointing that out, fixed now. Harrias talk 16:43, 10 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Cheetah (talk)
  • Comments
    • I am not a cricket expert, so I am not sure why the S/R column is missing from the first table. I assume there is a reason why it's missing, but I can't understand based on info from this article.
      • Strike-rate is not a particularly relevant statistic in Test cricket. In ODIs, there are only 50 overs for each team to score their runs, so it is important to score at a reasonably quick pace: however in Test cricket, there are five days (between the two teams) which is the equivalent of roughly 450 overs.
        • ESPNcricinfo shows S/R for Test matches, but I'll take your explanation. Now, I noticed you have "S/R" and ESPN has "SR" as an abbreviation for strike rate...why the difference? Which one is more familiar to cricket fans?--Cheetah (talk) 09:30, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
          • Being honest, strike rate is actually quite a rarely used statistic within cricket. It is mentioned most in relation to Twenty20 cricket (the shortest form of the game), but other than that most commentators will say little more than "quicker than a run a ball" or "slower than a run a ball". I have no overall objection to changing it to SR rather than S/R, but I don't think the general fan would be particularly familiar or confused by either: CricketArchive uses SRate for example.Harrias talk 09:53, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Also, I don't quite understand what the test column denotes. You added in the key section what "test" denotes, but you didn't mention why there are two numbers in the test column. What does "1/3" mean in the "test" column?
      • I've expanded the section on this in the key: does that help?
    • A little color can be more appealing. Something like "light green" for the "won" cells and "light red" for the "lost" cells.
      • I agree that colour can make tables more appealing, but in this case I think it would be inappropriate to colour those particular cells. The result is really just a footnote to the century itself, and by colouring that column, I think it would attract too much attention to a reasonably unimportant cells in terms of the century.

--Cheetah (talk) 08:18, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments, it is always useful to hear from those less knowledgeable about cricket! Harrias talk 08:48, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Courcelles 12:07, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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"He was appointed as a Member of the Order of the British Empire (MBE) in 2006 as part of England's 2005 Ashes winning squad.[4]" SSurely his MBE was for more than one series... find another way to say this, unless causality is really what is being meant here. (And if this is meant to imply causality, say it explicitly.)
  • He, and the whole of the rest of the England team that played in that Ashes series, were appointed MBE purely for winning the 2005 Ashes. Paul Collingwood, who played only one match of the series, and to that point, not a lot of international cricket at all was awarded one! He has also just been given an OBE, so I need to tack that onto the article too. I don't really understand what you mean by causality, that's a word above my pay grade! Harrias talk 09:04, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"who Strauss went on to replace in the team." Again, rephrase. If he was run out by the fellow, how'd he replace him on the team?
  • Yup, removed the part about Hussain altogether, it obviously isn't very clear. Harrias talk 09:04, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Why on Earth does English cricket team in South Africa in 2004-05 redirect to History of cricket in South Africa from 2000–01? Given there's more content in History of cricket in South Africa from 2000–01 than 2000 and 2001, perhaps that article needs a rename?
  • Because southern hemisphere cricket seasons are denoted "YYYY–YY", like English football seasons; so that article refers to cricket in South Africa from the 2000–01 season onwards. Harrias talk 09:04, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
column and row scopes in the tables
  • Would you make the score the row scope? Harrias talk 09:04, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was thinking the date, but the score works, as well. Courcelles 23:04, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually, the date makes more sense. Done. Harrias talk 12:06, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"Inn. denotes the number of innings in the match." This may have been missed before, but this isn't what the column is indicating. The column is indicating which innings in the match Strauss hit his century, not how many innings were in the match.

Courcelles 05:15, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments, I've replied to each of them, and left a question to one. Harrias talk 09:04, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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