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List of international cricket centuries by Babar Azam[edit]

List of international cricket centuries by Babar Azam (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): CreativeNorth (talk) 15:47, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because pretty much every other cricket century list is featured and I have worked to get it to the standard where I feel it could be featured as well. Thanks in advance. CreativeNorth (talk) 15:47, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit]

  • I am aware that names from the Indian subcontinent don't necessarily work the same as western names, so can you confirm that it's correct to refer to him as simply "Babar" per MOS:SURNAME?
I'm pretty sure he is refered to as Babar. This tweet from the Pakistan Cricket Board seems to confirm this. Could be wrong though. CreativeNorth (talk)
  • "Babar Azam is an Pakistani cricketer" => "Babar Azam is a Pakistani cricketer"
checkYChanged. CreativeNorth (talk)
  • Full stop at the end of the Vaughan quote should be outside the quote marks
checkY Done
  • "He has been named in the ICC Men's ODI Team of the Year on 3 occasions" => "He has been named in the ICC Men's ODI Team of the Year on three occasions"
checkY Done.
  • "four different opponents at five cricket grounds" - I think just "grounds" would suffice, as he's not likely to have scored a century at a football ground
checkY Removed
  • "His first century came in 2016 where he scored 120" - against.....?
Changed to "His first century came in 2016 where he scored 120 against the West Indies"
Thanks for the comments @ChrisTheDude:, I think I have adressed them all, anything else? CreativeNorth (talk) 14:44, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Quick comment – This isn't a full source review from me as of yet, but ref 6 needs a publisher (ESPNcricinfo). Giants2008 (Talk) 21:22, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Giants2008: Corrected. CreativeNorth (talk) 14:17, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Having taken another look to strike the comment, it looks like current ref 3, from The News International, also needs a publisher to be listed. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:29, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Giants2008: Fixed ref 3. CreativeNorth (talk) 12:12, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)[edit]

  • It's mostly fine, but I question why the second column of the tables (score) is being set as the "primary" column, rather than the "number" column, seeing as the score is not unique and does not "define" its row. --PresN 18:10, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@PresN: I think have changed it so that the primary column is the number column. Can you have a look and confirm? Thanks. CreativeNorth (talk) 14:47, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, looks good! --PresN 16:02, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Z1720[edit]

Prose
  • "Babar made his ODI debut in May 2015 against Zimababwe and scored 54 before being dismissed." Since this list is about Azam's centuries, I do not think this sentence is necessary and can be removed, with the subsequent sentence modified to mention his ODI debut.
Done.
Source review

Version reviewed

  • Publication dates are typically included in the references, per WP:CITEWEB. I suggest going through the news articles and adding this information if provided.
  • I suggest archiving the websites
Done, now all the websites have been archived and dates have been added where possible.
Image review
  • The link to the video has been terminated, and the account was terminated. How do we know that the image is not a copyright violation? This image might have to be removed.
  • Use upright rather than px for images. See MOS:IMAGESIZE for more details
  • I don't think that information is needed in the caption, as the image is introducing the person the list is talking about. I suggest something like, "Babar Azam, pictured in 20xx" (replace 20xx with the year the image was taken) or something similar.
Done. I have changed the image to a different one used on Babar Azam, changed to upright, and used the suggested caption.

Those are my thoughts. Please ping me when the above are addressed. Z1720 (talk) 02:01, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Z1720: I think I have addressed your comments, can you have a look and confirm please? Thanks CreativeNorth (talk) 17:38, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support. My concerns have been resolved. Z1720 (talk) 18:12, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Support from AK[edit]

Strong oppose since this list has many issues with the prose, comprehensiveness, and referencing that will take a fair bit of time to fix. Prose issues include errors such as "He has scored centuries (100 or more runs in an innings) is 26 centuries" and clunky phrasing like " He has been named...Team of the Year." There are many uncited sentences which need referencing. The text lacks comprehensiveness and needs much more detail; see for example the list about Kohli. AryKun (talk) 16:42, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @AryKun: I have fixed the prose error highlighted above. Could you please highlight any other prose errors you have noticed? The team of the year sentence makes sense to me but could you suggest an improvement if you think it is needed. Thanks in advance. CreativeNorth (talk) 21:28, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Update on above: Everything has been cited. I have added as much notable detail as possible without it becoming WP:FANCRUFT. Most of the prose seems fine. I think I have fixed everything. Is that OK? Thanks. CreativeNorth (talk) 01:34, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • CreativeNorth, there are still many issues with the article as it stands. I've done a copy-edit that fixes most of the prose issues, but there are some more substantive changes that need discussion before I can enact them (one substantive change that I have made is removing "and breaking the...a three-match series." since I feel this is trivia that distracts from the main focus of the paragraph, which is consecutive centuries).
  • "As of September 2022" should be in a "as of" template, and should be updated to November stats.
  • "Babar has been described...the World." Completely irrelevant, we have ex-captains calling players the best in the world at something seven times a week, no need for Vaughan's opinion to be singled out.
  • "He has...the Tournament" I'm leaning towards removing this whole bit entirely, since it doesn't really have anything to do with his centuries. Most century lists only list trivia and facts regarding the subject's centuries, this is really something that belongs in the main article.
  • The detail on the T20I centuries part could be expanded (who did he score the second one against? was there anything noteworthy about where/how he scored them?).
  • Per MOS:SURNAME, Babar should be referred to using his last name.
Thanks for the feedback, I'll try to respond to the comments over the next couple of days. CreativeNorth (talk) 19:21, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • CreativeNorth, I see that you've addressed most of my concerns. There's still a couple issues left. The last sentence of the first para (He has...T20Is.) is uncited. Also, I still think that he should be referred to as Azam instead of Babar (mentions in the media are split about 50/50, and our main article also uses Azam). AryKun (talk) 14:48, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @AryKun I think I've adressed all your concerns. Feel free to notify me if you think anything else needs fixing. If everything seems good then do you mind changing your oppose to support. Thanks in advance. CreativeNorth (talk) 21:21, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's a support from me on the basis of prose. Pinging ChrisTheDudeand Z1720 since the article have changed pretty significantly since you guys reviewed and you might want to give it another look. AryKun (talk) 04:11, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Promoting. --PresN 22:56, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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