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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:26, 23 March 2022 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of international goals scored by Ian Rush[edit]

List of international goals scored by Ian Rush (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): REDMAN 2019 (talk) 14:44, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because... Rush was one of the greatest goal scorers of his generation and has held records of that nature both for Wales and Liverpool, where he is still all-time leading goalscorer. I have expanded the lead to comply with the FL criteria and I hope it will pass inspection. Any criticism is welcome as always! REDMAN 2019 (talk) 14:44, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
  • The prose is extremely short at less than 1300 characters. Is there really not any more to say?
Normally I would add more about any tournaments that they qualified for but that's not the case with this one. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 10:38, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Get rid of the {{clear}} which (on my screen at least) causes a massive unnecessary whitespace  Done
  • "Rush's goal tally included famous goal" => "Rush's goal tally included a famous goal"  Done
  • Also, famous according to whom?
I have added another reference referring to the famous circumstances of his goal. If you feel that doesn't suffice then I would be happy to take it out. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 10:36, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Next sentence starts with "And", which is a non-no  Done
    • You can't start a sentence with "As well as" either. It clearly follows on from the previous sentence, so just combine both sentences into one -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:03, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      •  Done
  • "against during a friendly against China." - huh?  Done
  • "one of only 15 ever scored by the nation" - the nation of Wales had never scored a hat-trick, needs rewording  Done
  • Opponents are linked every time in the table but venues and competitions only once each - why is this?  Done
  • Why is the first digit in the score column in bold?  Done
  • That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:16, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:20, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)[edit]

  • Tables need captions to allow screen reader software to 'jump' straight to them without reading out all of the text above them each time; add as the first line in the table `|+ caption_text`, or if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header you can make it only visible to screen reader software like `|+ {{sronly|caption_text}}`  Done
  • The column header cells need to be marked with `scope=col`, e.g. `! No.` becomes `! scope=col | No.`, etc. - each on their own line --PresN 14:03, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Image review[edit]

– Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 17:54, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pass for image review. Though, still suggesting to add ALT text, but I doubt whether its a part of FL, or even FA criteria. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 08:38, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Kavyansh[edit]

  • The short description is almost same as the list title. Can set it to "{{short decription|none}}"  Done
  • The article lead should be somewhat in the chronological order. We mention his 1996 retirement before him becoming all-time top goalscorer in 1992.  Done
  • "during a friendly against" — not a sports person, but shouldn't it be "during a friendly match against"?  Done
  • Can we expand the lead?
  • In the references, should write "RSSSF.com"as just "RSSSF" in the "Publisher" field.  Done
  • That is pretty much all there is to say.

– Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 12:00, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral as I made significant edits in the list, and am too involved to support. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 16:00, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from NapHit[edit]

  • I agree with Kavyansh, the lead does feel a bit sparse. Is there nothing more we can add?
  • "He made his debut on 21 May 1980, in an away game against Scotland. He scored his first international goal two years later, in his eighth international appearance, a home game against Northern Ireland." Both of these sentences need references
  • "Rush became the Wales national team's all-time top goalscorer on 9 October 1992, when he scored the only hat-trick of his Wales career in a 6–0 win over the Faroe Islands to bring him level with the record held by Trevor Ford, who scored 23 goals in 38 matches between 1947 and 1957, and Ivor Allchurch, who scored the same number in 68 matches between 1951 and 1966." This sentence is far too long. I'd split it into two.
  • Big concerns about the use of eu-football.info referencing the whole table. This site doesn't appear to be a reliable source at all. A much better source or individual referencing of his goals will be needed instead.

NapHit (talk) 12:24, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@NapHit: I think I addressed most of your concerns. How does it look now? – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 16:09, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Happy to support now my concerns have been addressed. NapHit (talk) 20:49, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from MWright96[edit]

  • "Rush broke the record with a goal against Belgium on 31 March 1993, and scored four more goals in his Wales career to extend the record to 28 goals." - this sentence will need verifying by a reliable citation
  • "He held it until 2018, when Gareth Bale scored his 29th international goal during a friendly against China." - same issue as above
  • "Rush's tally included a famous goal that saw Wales beat then-world champions Germany in 1991." - please state the final score of the match mentioned in this sentence
  • Use the Abbr template on the No. column in the main table to indict to the reader hovering over it that it means number
  • Consider adding an extra column in the main stating the cap in which the goal(s) were scored as is common with other "List of international goals scored by xxxxxxxx" that are featured lists
  • The individual goals that Rush scored and mentioned in the table can be individually referenced as is common with similiar lists that are featured

That is all I have MWright96 (talk) 16:10, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@MWright96: Thanks for the review. I think I fixed the all of it. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 16:22, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Kavyansh.Singh: References 1 and 12 are duplicates of each other; only one should be used for both the information that is verifies in the lede and the caps column MWright96 (talk) 18:50, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Have no more issues to raise MWright96 (talk) 19:37, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@REDMAN 2019: Are you still planning on continuing with this nomination? --PresN 14:18, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I will try to continue but I have been down with a flu-type illness for the past few days and can't promise an immediate response. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 15:31, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@REDMAN 2019: Okay, last call- some of these comments have been here for two months without a response, so this nomination will be closed soon if there's no actions taken. --PresN 16:06, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@PresN:, I am very sorry for the delays. I am not going to be able to complete this nom. Could I ask round to see if someone else wants to pick it up? REDMAN 2019 (talk) 10:26, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I can! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 13:04, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! REDMAN 2019 (talk) 14:32, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from TRM[edit]

  • The lead seems a bit on the meagre side for me. Could expand a bit here and there, e.g. "away game against Scotland" in what tournament, and which ended in what score and Rush failed to get on the scoresheet. "years later in a home game against Northern Ireland.[3]" could do similar.
  • "on 9 October 1992, when he scored" table says September of that year...
  • "became the Wales national team's" odd because he really "drew level with the top scorer" on that occasion before becoming sole top scorer with his next goal...
  • "Ford. Ford" repetitive.
  • "23 goals in 38 matches between 1947 and 1957, and Ivor Allchurch, who scored the same number in 68 matches but I don't think it's mentioned in the prose how many matches it took Rush to get there?
    • Now we have the 'cap' column, so it is there in the table. Specified in the lead too. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 10:16, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "scored four more goals in " no need to repeat goals I don't think.
    • Started a new paragraph from this sentence, so I think mentioning 'goal' is fine now. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 10:15, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • And that sentence uses "record" twice which is also repetitive.
  • "included a famous goal" according to whom? This is POV.
  • Not convinced the "Competition" column should sort as it does. Either force it to sort by year of tournament or tournament name, but not by free text (which it currently does).
  • I would add a "Cap" column which I seem to recall is used in other such FLs, so we can see his progression.
  • Also IIRC summary tables of how many apps/goals he scored each year of his international career are commonplace in these articles.
  • Ref 6 is just BBC while ref 7 is BBC Sport. Be consistent.

That's all I have on a quick review. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:30, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks TRM, can you please take another look whenever you are free. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 16:59, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support my concerns addressed. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:57, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 18:00, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Promoting. --PresN 13:46, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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