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The list was not promoted by Dabomb87 23:31, 25 February 2011 [1].

List of people on stamps of Azerbaijan[edit]

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Nominator(s): Twilightchill t 20:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The list has been deeply revamped recently and became complete. Contains the necessary philatelic info. Twilightchill t 20:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Adabow (talk · contribs) 00:00, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
*Oppose for now
  • "1993—2010" - replace the em dash with "to"
  • "The currency value (AZN or qapiks) corresponds to the associated time." - explain
  • "none of them featured a notable person" - source?
  • "Following the collapse of ADR" - the ADR
  • The actual list should have its own level two section
  • I think the table should be made sortable
  • AZN should be manat

Once these are addressed I'll have another look. Adabow (talk · contribs) 22:32, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

All addressed now, I think. Twilightchill t 23:45, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would prefer one big table with an additional 'year' column.
  • done
  • Names should be sorted using {{sortname}}
  • done
  • The dimensions and notes are unreferenced

Adabow (talk · contribs) 00:00, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately I could not find any. Azermarka seems to be the only site about post stamps in Azerbaijan.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 21:29, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Some comments/questions (oppose for now if you want):

Resolved comments from bamse (talk) 00:38, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
*Just wonder why such lists are of interest for an encyclopedia. Is "people on stamps" something philatelists would discuss?
  • Possibly "seventy seven"->"77"
  • "are showed"->"are shown"?
  • "Heydar Aliyev" is only wikilinked on first occurrence. As far as I understand, all occurrences should be wikilinked since in tables each row should stand on its own. (Don't wikilink twice in a horizontal row though).
    • 2002, 2004 and 2009 tables still need wikilinks of respective people. bamse (talk) 11:08, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • All empty cells should be filled with {{center|—}}
    • Still one cell needs to be filled in 1995. bamse (talk) 11:08, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just a suggestion as it is likely up to taste: make the table headers colorful and remove background color from the body of the table.
  • What does "25,000, 25,000" in the 1993 entry mean?
    • Haeh? Why are there two numbers? Do they refer to the two "parts"/stamps (one with image of Heydar Aliyev one with map)? Since it is a list of people on stamps why is the stamp with a map listed then? bamse (talk) 11:08, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • Now it says "25,000 each" so I guess you mean that there were 25,000 of the stamps with Heydar Aliyev and 25,000 of the stamp with the map, correct? In 1999 you have a similar type of two connected stamps (person+map) where you write "125,000 (coupling stamps)". What does this mean and why don't you use the same way of specifying the circulation numbers? bamse (talk) 15:27, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • Removed, added "coupling stamps" into Notes. Twilightchill t 19:48, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why not make one big table with an additional "Year" column?
    • I think you misunderstood Adabow's comment (The actual list should have its own level two section). Between the lead section and the table there should be a level two section (with ==SECTIONNAME==). See for instance List of tallest buildings in Albuquerque which has a section "Tallest buildings" just before the table. bamse (talk) 11:08, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why are national football teams excluded from the list?
    • I don't understand your argument. Why would it be relevant whether a stamp features the same person twice? bamse (talk) 11:12, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • Did you include football teams now? At least there is one entry in the 1997 table. bamse (talk) 22:37, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am not familiar with the history of Azerbaijan and would therefore like to see some dates/years for the founding and collapse of the ADR to make the text more readable.
    • Better, but I still think that it should be stated more explicitly what this list includes and also be made more clear what the "Azerbaijan" in "List of people on stamps of Azerbaijan" stands for (ADR or Azerbaijan during the time of the Soviet Union or post Soviet Union Azerbaijan). bamse (talk) 11:08, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • How about adding something like "[postage stamps of Azerbaijan] ... after independence in ..." to the first sentence? Also I am not sure about the meaning of: The first national postage stamps were issued in the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic (ADR), depicting ordinary individuals Does it mean that the first stamps of the ADR depicted people. Or that the first postage stamps worldwide were issued in the ADR, or...? bamse (talk) 22:37, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • The lead section needs references.
  • Possibly some statistics (total number of items in the list, who appears most often,...) could be added to the lead section.
    • Did you add anything? bamse (talk) 11:10, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • How is sorting of the "Dimension" column implemented?
  • Sorting is broken for the "Value" columns in 1994, 1996,... please check all. Also "Circulation" sorting is broken (at least for 1998, please check other years).
  • Templates added, everything now sorts normally. Twilightchill t 10:32, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Value seems to sort fine. However "Circulation" is still partially broken at least in 2008 and 1994. bamse (talk) 23:03, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can we have some more non-Azermarka sources?

bamse (talk) 01:14, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Regarding the interest for encyclopedia, we have a quite large Category:Lists of people on stamps. "25,000, 25,000" in the 1993 entry mean amount of stamps in circulation, as per "Circulation" column. I decided to exclude the football teams because they should be checked for featuring the same person twice or thrice. One of the recent versions had an additional "Year" column, I removed it because of Adabow's section suggestion. Still, I don't know how to fix sorting in the columns "Dimensions" and "Value", maybe someone else could help. Twilightchill t 02:56, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I stroke those issues that are fixed and left some comments at those that still need to be addressed (see above). bamse (talk) 11:15, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done, but I didn't find valuable non-Azermarka English-language sources, which would give some extra info (except the one already provided). As for sections, I think it's ok. Honestly, apparently because of low res, I can't figure out the exact number of people here, so football teams are still excluded. Twilightchill t 14:00, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I replied above. I still think that not all things are done. One additional request: Could you please explain in the lead or wikilink or explain in footnotes the following terms: coupling stamps, sheet, sheetlet, souvenir sheet? bamse (talk) 15:30, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
One more suggestion. Apparently around 2005/2006 the stamp value suddenly drops. This is worth a note (including reason if available) in the lead in my opinion. bamse (talk) 15:33, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done, except coupling and sheets which are common words. The article Azerbaijani manat, linked in the lead, has the relevant info on denomination. Twilightchill t 16:02, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Still some open questions (see above). I understand the words coupling, sheets, etc. However I suspect that they have a special meaning for philatelists which not everybody might be aware of. That's why I suggest to have a short definition of these in the article (in cases for which no wikipedia article exists). As for the manat, indeed the information is in the Azerbaijani manat article, but so far you are only hinting (corresponds to the issue year.) at the fact that there are different values of manat in this list. Why not help the reader and spell it out: On 1 January 2006, a new manat was introduced at a value of 5,000 old manat. The currency value (in Azerbaijani manats or qapiks) corresponds to the issue year." or something like this? bamse (talk) 23:03, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Why is everything in blue? It's unnecessary and rather distracting. Reywas92Talk 16:37, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The all-white background seems harsh and dull to me, but you may change it. Twilightchill t 19:48, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Also between two measurments, the dimensions of the stamps should be "× instead the letter "x".-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 16:42, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Swapped. Twilightchill t 19:48, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The nominator, User:Twilight Chill, has been topic banned from editing Armenia and Azerbaijan related articles and will therefore not be able to address further concerns of this FLC. bamse (talk) 21:25, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I would change the use of the word "Value" to "Denomination" which is more accurate. Value tends to imply what it is worth and some readers may think this means a catalogue value. For clarity Denomination means the value inscribed on the stamp. ww2censor (talk) 20:03, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:16, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose first up, great to see a list here with such a unique angle, good start!
  • Don't start with "The list..." - start with a nice synopsis of Azerbaijani stamps, i.e. when the first stamp was made, who the first person was, most recent person, any special issues etc.
    • Done
  • Illustrate the lead.
    • I will do it until tomorrow.
  • Consider a different table of contents, a more horizontal one to avoid that massive whitespace at the start of the list.
    • OK so?
  • Why exclude national football teams?
    • He wrote the explanation above.
  • Add some context to the people featured in the lead (e.g. who is Heydar Aliyev? I'm sorry to say I've never heard of him?)
    • I added a sentence about the third president of Azerbaijan. I will give it some though who will be the next person.
  • I wouldn't split the table per year. Merge the rows, and add the year as a new column.
    • Done
  • Dimensions column doesn't sort correctly.
    • I see that there is only one cell that doesn't sort properly. Could someone find that error, please?
  • No spaced hyphens in the references please, per WP:DASH.

The Rambling Man (talk) 21:50, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Comment Why aren't postage stamps from the Soviet era Azerbaijan included? Each Republic released their own national postage stamps... What I'm saying is that this list is missing some in its collection. --TIAYN (talk) 22:56, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Because this is about Azerbaijan and not about the republic AzSSR, which was not a country. But the title can be renamed, so post stamps from this republic could be included. If they are too much, then it should be separated to avoid a content-forking list. I am not the nominator, but I will manage this sollution in the next days and will see what to do.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 11:35, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it's true that it wasn't a country, but it was Azerbajian. The title of the article is List of people on stamps of Azerbaijan, it doesn't say, List of people on stamps of Azerbaijani country... Thirdly, your missing stamps from the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic-era... --TIAYN (talk) 17:17, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"List of people on stamps of Azerbaijani country" would be very odd, and "Azermarka" only lists post stamps since 1992. And post stamps in the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic-era and the Soviet-era I could not find.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 23:22, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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