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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 15:48, 27 September 2011 [1].

List of songs in Green Day: Rock Band[edit]

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Nominator(s): –Drilnoth (T/C) 14:07, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because... erm... I think it meets the criteria. :) I've put some work into this article and have used experience from taking List of songs in Rock Band 3 to make this list even better at the start of the nomination than that one was. –Drilnoth (T/C) 14:07, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:19, 27 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • There's a spare parenthesis mark at the end of the first paragraph.
  • Music selection: "due in part to the nature of the album which is meant to be listened as a whole". Needs "to" after "listened", I think.
  • "This led the team to also including 21st Century Breakdown". Either make "including" into "include" or change the sentence to something like "This led to the team also including 21st Century Breakdown".
  • Reference 1 is missing a publisher, which is usually at the front of a press release citation. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 01:49, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks for the review, these should all be fixed. –Drilnoth (T/C) 12:51, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 14:21, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "The game... The game..." reads poorly to me.
  • "With these 6 downloadable songs" -> six.
  • "Harmonix'"-> "Harmonix's"
  • " earliest Green Day albums" earlier? Only one can be earliest.
  • " Due to how downloadable songs are incorporated .." -> "As a result of the number of downloadable songs incorporated..."
  • Why is Dec. abbreviated in the release date?

The Rambling Man (talk) 19:01, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As a comment from when I did the GH lists, it might be better to have a separate body section (or subsection) on the exporting instead of that trailing paragraph. In this, I would add to the fact (well, I know its fact, but I can't immediately recall sources) that the songs with harmonies still support these in RB3 --MASEM (t) 04:19, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. What should such a section be called? –Drilnoth (T/C) 21:18, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I actually just looked at the GH lists and didn't see any such sections. –Drilnoth (T/C) 14:30, 5 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There isn't any such section, I would include it in the first main section (not lead) prior to the list itself, simply to explain this factor. The exportability in GH is explained in a similar place and then shown in the tables (since it's not universal for all songs, compared to RBGD and Lego RB). --MASEM (t) 21:02, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I moved it. I also added a note about the harmonies, but I couldn't find a reliable source for the information. However, I know that it is true (I've exported GD:RB after all!) and I don't think the statement is very controversial. –Drilnoth (T/C) 21:42, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments: Here are the issues that stood out to me.
  • The "Announcement" section seems kinda small to be its own section. Maybe combine it to "Music selection" as the last paragraph.
  • What makes Plastic Axe a reliable source?
  • Why are the two notes for the set lists in different cases. I find that odd especially when the two As state the same thing.
  • Note C and D seem like they border on game guide content, but I'll defer to others on whether they should stay.
Other than the above, the list is in good shape. I'll check back in later. (Guyinblack25 talk 16:22, 9 September 2011 (UTC))[reply]
  • THANK YOU for the review! I agree that the announcement section seems a bit small, but I'm not sure where else it would fit. It doesn't seem like part of the "music selection" process. See [2] for my reasoning regarding Plastic Axe. I've combined the notes into a separate section. Comments on missing or additional parts are quite common in the Guitar Hero song lists, all of which are FL now, and include more minor stuff such as whether or not a song has a double bass drum part in addition to a single bass drum part. I'd say that notes C and D are as, if not more, important to the game's setlist than the vocal parts; note also that List of songs in Rock Band 3 passed FLC with one such footnote and an entire column for keyboard support. –Drilnoth (T/C) 17:18, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think "Announcement" will fit into "Music selection". If you have reservations, maybe rename the whole thing to "Selection history" or "Track listing history". (Guyinblack25 talk 17:32, 9 September 2011 (UTC))[reply]
  • Alrighty then, Done. –Drilnoth (T/C) 18:00, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • The only other thing I would recommend is mentioning the reception in the lead. I know leads for lists are handled slightly different than articles, so I'm unsure if this is warranted. (Guyinblack25 talk 18:18, 9 September 2011 (UTC))[reply]
  • Seems reasonable; I've added a couple sentences to the lead. –Drilnoth (T/C) 19:23, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: My concerns have been addressed/answered, and I believe that the list meets the FL criteria. (Guyinblack25 talk 19:27, 9 September 2011 (UTC))[reply]
  • Thank you for the review and support! –Drilnoth (T/C) 19:30, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 22:23, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment
  • The tables currently fail WP:ACCESS, see MOS:DTT for information on how to fix this.

Other than this it looks good. NapHit (talk) 22:59, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Colscope added. Rowscope not added because there isn't really a column which serves as a row header. –Drilnoth (T/C) 23:04, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Put the rowscope in the cells that list the songs. NapHit (talk) 18:16, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, done. Now, I understand a bit about web accessibility (I'm a web developer, and have read numerous articles about the topic and implemented a fair number of simple accessibility things), but I do have a question: Why is the song name a header? I'd consider it to be row data. Sure, it is unique to each song, but it still seems to me like normal information and not a special "header". Anyways, I had to do a whole bunch of code-wrangling so that the rowscopes didn't mess up the table appearance (why isn't there a class which does that better than "plainrowheaders" anyway?), but it is done. Thanks for the review –Drilnoth (T/C) 21:28, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think it has something to do with indicating what parts of the table are rows or something. The song name is row data, its just that its the most relevant to the title of the article. I think it needs to be done to indicate that they are rows or something like that I don't really understand it myself. I agree with the plainrowheaders class, it is a pain, but I'm not aware of anything better unfortunately.
  • Support Great work, well done NapHit (talk) 22:23, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thank you for the review and support! –Drilnoth (T/C) 22:54, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
Resolved issues
Lead
  • "The fifth major console release..." - this implies that there were some minor console releases. Is that the case?
    • Yes. See List of Rock Band track packs. –Drilnoth (T/C) 13:43, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • None of those appear to be "minor" console releases. Sorry, what I was getting at is if they were just released for the big 3 companies: Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft, then just remove the word "major" as its a WP:PEACOCK word. The reason is, believe it or not, there are other consoles companies out there still. Otherwise, if the sources mention the word major consoles, that should be quoted and cited.
        • The thing is, the track packs are console releases, just small spinoffs. If we remove the word "major", then GD:RB wouldn't be the fifth because we'd have to count the previously released track packs, and IMHO they shouldn't be included in the count. That would be like saying that Guitar Hero World Tour is the fifth game (because Encore: Rocks the 80s was a spinoff track pack release), even though everybody calls GHWT the fourth game in the series. –Drilnoth (T/C) 14:00, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
          • Okay. I see what you're intending. You want "major" to modify "release" however, as its right before console, I thought it was modififying "console". It will need to be rephrased then in some way to make that clearer.∞陣内 Jinnai 15:30, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Guitar and drums are linked. Any reason Bass isn't?
  • The 6 additional songs - are they available on every platform? is the "Plus version available on every platform? If so, that should be mentioned, if not it should. It should also be cited
  • What songs were specifically critisized as not being available?
Music selection
  • Source #2 does not seem to support that "All By Myself" was not included.
    • New reference added. The information about the song missing is the very last line of the press release. –Drilnoth (T/C) 13:54, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • broadway musical - when is it forthcoming. While the retrieval date is recent, the date of the interview is relatively old for something talking about an unspecificed future event. I'd say that part of the statement needs something more recent as it it could have been canceled or delayed indefintalty as its over a year old. It may have even come out.
    • Actually, it seems I had misinterpreted the interview when I first listened to it. Check this diff for my changes to the sentence and reasoning. –Drilnoth (T/C) 14:52, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Main setlist
  • Why is the price listed? It doesn't appear important to understanding the listing so we normally don't include prices in those cases.
Reception
  • Was the term censorship (or censored or related term) used? If not, it should probably use the more neutral term "edited"
  • again, can we get specifics on what songs?
    • I can give examples ("American Idiot" and "F.O.D." come to mind), but the cited review doesn't have any samples, so that might be construed as original research. –Drilnoth (T/C) 13:43, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • Better take that out then. If they don't list the songs, they don't.∞陣内Jinnai 04:26, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • You mean, take out the whole thing about the editing? This was a fairly common complaint from gamers and reviewers. I'll see if I can find a reliable source which gives an example. –Drilnoth (T/C) 14:00, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • It looks like IGN's review actually mentions the editing as making the songs "sound funny", but again, doesn't specify songs. –Drilnoth (T/C) 14:04, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • Yep, can't find any sources with examples. It really is evident throughout the game. Many songs from Dookie and some from American Idiot and 21st Century Breakdown are radio-edited. Why are examples needed? –Drilnoth (T/C) 14:22, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
          • I meant take out any mention of specific songs, though adding the part about sounding funny could be added.∞陣内Jinnai 15:30, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Other stuff
  • the prose switches between "players" and "the player" without any rhyme or reason. Pick one and only make exceptions when phrasing it would imply something else (such as a multiplayer option when talking about a singleplayer option).
  • This could still use some copyediting (these are just examples so it needs more than just fixing them, but these just stood out the most). Mostly this is with excessive wordyness, but there's a few poor word choice issues.:
    • With these downloadable songs, the full complete albums of Dookie, American Idiot,
    • as Harmonix had already released six songs from the album as downloadable content
    • they did not want to make those that who had purchased the songs
    • instead designed the game to immediately include those songs if the player had already purchased them.
    • Rigopulos determined that they needed to include the full complete Dookie album
    • the master tapes for the first two albums exist, but are in poor condition., and the process to digitize them would destroy the tape them.
    • custom character animations, unlockables, and support the game's vocal harmonies feature.∞陣内Jinnai 01:33, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • I've fixed a number of these, and plan to work on the rest, including the copyediting, later today. I've interspersed my responses to keep each part of the discussion separate; if you would rather they weren't interspersed, feel free to move them all down to the bottom here. –Drilnoth (T/C) 13:43, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • Copyediting complete. Let me know if I didn't fix something I thought I did or if it still needs more copyediting work. –Drilnoth (T/C) 16:35, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
          • I'll check over this tomorrow.∞陣内Jinnai 04:27, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
          • Okay. I think the only major issue I can spot is you should go through and remove the unnecessary have and hads. There's a lot of them that make it more verbose than necessary, mostly in the first section is where I noticed this, but other sections should be looked at.∞陣内Jinnai 15:34, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. All issues have been dealt with as best they can be.∞陣内Jinnai 20:15, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thank your for the extremely thorough review and support. –Drilnoth (T/C) 21:08, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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