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The list was promoted by Giants2008 21:39, 27 November 2010 [1].

List of songs in Guitar Hero: Warriors of Rock[edit]

Featured list candidates/List of songs in Guitar Hero: Warriors of Rock/archive1

Nominator(s): MASEM (t) 21:39, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's been a while since I've been able to FL a Guitar Hero list (thank you activision for slowing down releases). Format of this is similar to the previous lists. MASEM (t) 21:39, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment—~~a dab link to The Telegraph;~~ no dead external links. Ucucha 23:06, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Dab fixed. --MASEM (t) 23:45, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thanks. Ucucha 00:49, 9 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - can the first instance of the genre's be linked (if there is an article on them). Several of those genres (FE Speed Rock) I am unfamiliar with and I would expect a link somewhere in the article, episodically on a table.陣内_Jinnai 20:46, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- We have generally not linked these in past lists (though they are only a recent addition). If linking is suggested, it would likely need to be for each row since the table is sortable. I leave it to comments to do this or not. --MASEM (t) 20:51, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Why was it changed? I could understand if they were redlinking, but those wikilinks are clearly relevant to the topic.陣内_Jinnai 21:32, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - In the early games they never provided a genre so there was no genre column at all. It only came about a few titles ago when they included their claimed genre with each song. --MASEM (t) 22:44, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - Just to reiterate, I would like additional input if linking the genres should be done. It's quite doable, I just would want a few more voices here. --MASEM (t) 21:10, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        Might want to post a link to this FLC and note this in WT:VG for some comments.陣内 _Jinnai 16:23, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 19:34, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose lots of weak prose issues I'm afraid.

"Warriors of Rock, as with previous games in the series, challenge the player" -> "challenges" (as the game is singular).
"successfully pass a song" not sure what this means.
"limit of 5 stars" -> five (per MOS).
"due to selected perks the player can select." select overdose.
"presented to the player" to the player is unnecessary.
"a downward decline " which other direction would a decline be other than downward?
I'd say who released this in the first sentence, not the last part of the lead.
"studios were shuttered and brought internally to Activision" Sorry to be dense but I don't really get this.
Is Vicarious Visions part of Activision? It's not clear.
"was built to focus on the success of Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock with a soundtrack that was more focused " focus overdose.
"The game features songs primary from " - primarily?
"The game's on-disc setlist is also claimed to be more difficult than songs from previous games, as Activision found most players would quickly progress to the highest difficulty, Expert, shortly after each game's release" - I'd say "more difficult than in previous games"
"Warriors of Rock' primary gameplay" something's missing.
Is it "Quest" mode, "Quest Mode" or "Quest mode"?
DemiGod or Demigod? Or Demi-God?
"The on-disc are presented' missing something here?
Why is "Setlist" capitalised in the table heading?
Maybe "Artist(s)" since some of the tracks have multiple contributors.
Are Quickplay and Quickplay+ different?
Explicitly link Guitar Hero 5 in the Downloadable content section.
Link "platinum" to Music recording sales certification
What's DLC?
Ref 8, 19 - reduce the capitalisation please.
Ref 13, as far as I know, this is never called The Metro, just Metro.

The Rambling Man (talk) 16:23, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- I've fixed those and worked on some general clearing up based on the implied confusion from the topics above. --MASEM (t) 15:08, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Afro (Talk) 18:11, 12 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

*Comment - Since its an recently released game is it likely to remain stable? I only ask since there seems to be quite a few reversions 3 in the span of 24 hours I may add. Afro (Talk) 07:51, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- The ondisc soundtrack won't change, and there will be weekly/monthly updates when new downloadable content is introduced. The only issue right now is that there are IP / inexperienced editors that are changing genres of songs to what they think the song is, but not as it is listed in-game. It is not the type of instability that is an issue per criteria (I believe). --MASEM (t) 12:54, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Another question, can any images not be added to the article to add more to the Visual Appeal of the Criteria? Afro (Talk) 14:33, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We haven't used images on past lists - while one can possibly identify some possible ones (eg free pics of Simmons, the band Rush, Megadeth/Dave Mustain, any of the bands features, etc.) I can probably predict that such could lead to anon/IPs wanting to picture their favorite band in the game. I'm open to suggestions however. --MASEM (t) 15:27, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Could you not use one of the guitar controllers on the commons as an example of the guitars used to play the songs? for the lead, its just an idea. Afro (Talk) 18:51, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

While this is possible, there was a new guitar controller that came out with this game that would be a better representation, but I've yet been able to get a free version of it (a non-free would be improper since a free one can be made). It's a reasonable idea, but one I can'd do right now. --MASEM (t) 19:43, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any real difference between the new controller and old controllers? they have the same basic buttons and functions. Afro (Talk) 23:07, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes there is. File:Guitar Hero World Tour Guitar Controller PS3.png this is what the older guitars look like but the new ones are a lot more stylized, see [2] for example. And I do keep my eyes open on flickr for a free version as a non-free image is no longer allowable . --MASEM (t) 03:48, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

if all there's different to the new guitars is that it looks fancier, I don't know why you can't include a picture of an old guitar as a basic example of the controller used you can always replace the picture in the future when a new guitar becomes available surely. Afro (Talk) 21:08, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I was able to find a free picture to use, though I hope I can find something a bit better later. --MASEM (t) 18:24, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support - I think theres no big issues. I've also removed information I feel is unnecessary in the description of the image in my view this information is best used for the main article. Afro (Talk) 18:08, 12 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments: Here are the issues that stood out to me.
- For the notes to the tables:
  - Why is there a plus sign instead of another letter?
  - Why is one set (for the main setlist) have spacing between the notes, but the other set (for the downloadable content) omits it?
- Is a gameplay explanation necessary? I'd say no, but will concede to a good reason. If yes, however, I suggest trimming it to the bare bones.
- In regard to linking the genres, why not have them listed and linked in the article lead or in the introductory paragraphs of the sections?
- Source check: what makes the following sources reliable?
  - Ref 8 and 19: Blabbermouth.net
  - Ref 10: Roadrunner Records
  - Ref 24: One of Swords
- Overall, the list is in good shape, but there are few small issues that I think should be addressed before supporting.(Guyinblack25 ^talk 17:47, 11 November 2010 (UTC))[reply]
  - I fixed the footnoting on the tables. I have no idea where the space came from save that when the "+" sign was used, it added a space. They've all been normalized to letters now. The gameplay description is necessary only to explain the song order/selection with the presence of 2112 and Sudden Death in the list, I'm not sure if I can cut it back. On the sources, I've replaced/cut the Blabbermouth and RR Records with other more reliable sources. One of Swords is an Activision employee that blogs on the Hero games, and thus the announcement of the DLC from him would be reliable. I did try to find something to replace this but I've not found a source more reliable than this that has the same info short of a Xbox live marketplace product page. --MASEM (t) 18:24, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - I took a stab at trimming the gameplay paragraph. Hope nothing essential is lost, so please feel free to revert if it was. Other than that, I think the list looks good. Support. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 19:23, 11 November 2010 (UTC))[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:49, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

The genre names should probably be in sentence case; for example, "Modern Rock"-->Modern rock
Staying with genres, what references them?
Can you explain "Expert+" mode? It's mentioned in a couple of the footnotes.
Should we assume that any song that not marked with footnote b is the original version of the song (as opposed to a cover)?
What makes http://oneofswords.com/2010/11/gh-dlc-warriors-of-rock-1-track-pack/ a reliable source? Dabomb87 (talk) 20:24, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Genres fixed; I've noted above the table that these are how they are listed in-game as there is no offline (reliable) source for these as there would be with Rock BAnd songs. I've explained a bit what Expert+ is in the footnote, and made sure to note that all songs are masters, (those marked with b were specifically re-recorded, and thus their dates are 2010 as opposed to original release). I've commented on the One of Swords ref immediattely above already. --MASEM (t) 20:48, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

"and Vicarious Visions, the latter who provided support for additional features in the Wii version of the game." Feels grammatically awkward to me. I think that changing the comma to a semi-colon and removing "who" would be enough to fix it.
"Following a decline in sales of music games in 2009, partially due to the large number of music games released in 2009". The use of the years strikes me as repetitive. You could easily get away with converting the second one to "that year".
Main setlist: In the last sentence of the first paragraph, a quote from Brian Bright has three quotation marks. One of them shouldn't be there, I'd imagine.
"Two songs, Alice Cooper's 'No More Mr. Nice Guy' and The Runaways' 'Cherry Bomb', were specifically re-recorded by the original bands for use in Warriors of Rock." Did Cooper play the song with a band? If not, the sentence is only half-true. In that case, "performers" or similar would be more accurate.
Importable content: "it was announced that thirty-nine of songs from Guitar Hero: Metallica would also be importable into the game". Giants2008 (27 and counting) 19:56, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- All corrected. (I don't know if it was Alice Cooper's whole band or just Cooper + others, so I used "performers" as suggested) --MASEM (t) 20:08, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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